random65837,

a) people with access to guns are significantly more likely to find success in suicide attempts, and reducing access to lethal means does make a difference.

That’s completely ignoring that we’re talking about suicidal people, they’re irrelevant. Suicidal people have a million ways to kill themselves, and they if they’re serious, they will, gun or not. Which is why they need to be categorized separately.

By that logic we should put the law abiding in jail, because if we’re not in jail, we’re statistically more likely to commit a crime. See why that doesn’t work?

b) even big cities are, on the whole, safer than a lot of people imagine. i say this as an american in a massive city, in a state with very liberal gun laws. but when you have millions of people in one place, statistically speaking you are going to have more crime. i don’t think most american cities are some kind of purge-like shithole, they’re mostly comprised of ordinary people doing their thing.

I come from one with very strict gun laws, and last time I checked, every criminal that wants a gun has one. That’s because laws don’t stop the lawless from getting them, only the law-abiding that go through the process. As you said, mostly ordinary people doing their thing, as in not shooting other people.

The problem with statistics is they’re black and white, which has it’s place, but real life has nuance, and ignoring nuance can have very negative consequences.

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