Both of those instances tend to be fairly censorship heavy, so people who just want to have a chat will be less interested in joining an instance that’s going to shut down a conversation that they’re enjoying.
Before all this stuff with reddit went down, most of the instances on the threadiverse we’re fairly censorship heavy, and so people didn’t really bother coming over from the main fediverse. With the establishment of new and more liberal instances and the infusion of new users, the potential of Lemmy has really been unleashed.
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