How many people here have actually used XMPP?

With all the current discussion about the threat that Instagram Threads has on the Fediverse and that article about how Google Embrace Extend Extinguished XMPP, I was left very confused, since that was the first time I’ve heard that Gchat supported XMPP or what XMPP actually is, and I’ve had my personal Gmail since beta (no, don’t ask for it), and before then, everybody was using AOL/MSN Messenger to talk with each other online. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a single person who started using Gchat as an XMPP client.

Instead of a plot where Google took over XMPP userbase via EEE, it just seem to me more like XMPP was a niche protocol that very few hardcore enthusiasts used, and then Google tried to add support for it in their product, but ultimately decided it wasn’t worth the development effort to support a feature that very few of their users actually used and abandoned it in typical Google fashion.

So, to prove my point, how many people have used XMPP here, and how many people here haven’t?

grysbok,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I used it. I don’t remember if my first jabber account was on Google or not, but I used the pidgin IM client to communicate with friends on ICQ, Gchat, AOL, and IRC. Then when Google removed jabber support I couldn’t use my pidgin to connect to my Gchat anymore.

McMillan,
@McMillan@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

I used it in the very early days with a Unix client. That’s must’ve been in the late nineties…

mikeyBoy14,

Unix in the 90s must have been hardcore.

swope,
@swope@kbin.social avatar

VAX.

(pun for "facts")

McMillan,
@McMillan@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

VI as text editor…

McMillan,
@McMillan@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

X windows as GUI… Rest was terminal

mikeyBoy14,

GUIs are for chumps 😂 I watch all my YouTube videos as code in a terminal like the green text in the Matrix

kethali,

I’m pretty sure I used one that was terminal based, likely using ncurses. Without searching, I can’t recall the name of it, though.

I used XMPP a bit among friends, more so when Google supported it, which was probably after ICQ/AIM/MSN wasn’t as popular? I don’t really talk to many people anymore, so whatever, heheh :)

It would be nice to see XMPP make some kind of “comeback” … or some sort of popularity boost like mastodon/lemmy/etc in recent times.

holycrap,

I used it. I was disappointed when Google removed support but only because it disrupted my user experience.

db2,

I used it.

count0,
@count0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I “tried” to use XMPP/Jabber in its heyday, but in my experience (& memory) it never got to the point to have a “critical mass” of community (I felt to be part of / want to be part of).

Fediverse/Lemmy has this critical mass at least since some weeks now - unless too many of those users decide to leave for another place, I’m happy here no matter what other things get hyped in a given week.

Back in Jabber’s day, I would have liked to see it develop some communities as they did - and still do! - exist on IRC, but that simply never happened (with one I would both be interested in and could find).

UnhappyCamper,
@UnhappyCamper@kbin.social avatar

I had never heard of it either and I've been online since the 90s.

aeternum,

I use it every day.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

I just launched a Snickket server yesterday. Currently just for my household. Was previously using signal and hadn't heard much about xmpp.

visiblink,
@visiblink@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I host the XMPP server for www.circumlunar.space. There are about a dozen users. I can’t speak to the point about e-e-e.

Emanresu,

MORE COMMENTS THAN UPVOTES??!!?! 13 upvotes and 17+1 comments

edit: guess i should actually answer. I never used it, but i was curious when i got to see it in a default chat program that was bundled with ubuntu or something. I used to love the idea of proper peer to peer encrypted chat but everyone else was just so hard to get onto the same platforms and before i knew it everyone defaulted to weird things like sms, steam chat and facebook.

Dubois_arache,
@Dubois_arache@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I use movim, good client, web based and supports encryption, and about google topic, I expect from them only profit driven initiatives, not technical development for communities.

realcaseyrollins,

I have! ✋🏾

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

I used it so my IRC client would bridge to Google Talk via Bitlbee. It was super nice.

Ricaz,
@Ricaz@lemmy.world avatar

I used it a lot for Eve Online. Lots of big alliances/corps in the game defaulted to XMPP. Some used IRC or Slack when it came out. Nowadays everyone uses Discord though.

masterspace,

Thank you for posting some sanity.

People keep posting that dumb blog post about Google Talk being an extend, embrace, extinguish play when it’s pretty obvious that Google Talk simply dwarved XMPP in terms of users. The lesson everyone here took from that is to not let any corporation near your niche protocol, when the real lesson they should’ve taken is that user’s don’t care about protocols and how open or virtuistic they are, they just want an app that’s convenient to have a conversation with.

XMPP only lasted as long as it did because Google Talk kept it alive by supporting it, once they dropped it (and literally no one noticed) then XMPP died the death it would’ve died years earlier had Google not helped limp it along.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know about sanity, I just thought all the panic here certainly looks overblown but I didn’t know enough about XMPP to make a judgement.

So, just wanted to get more understanding here.

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