chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Unfortunately is not that simple, now Google is pushing a new standard web environment called WEI and all browsers will be affected with it. Is not just a matter of free choice.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

We’ll see if sites really start forcing this standard, could just turn into a situation where you use Chrome as an app to access specific sites that force it and Firefox for everything else.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The late stage of capitalism will force sites to adopt the WEI. Trust me. Privacy will be a luxury good in near future.

Zetta,

The FOSS community is big enough that most things will have a non fucked foss counterpart if that happens. Of course hopefully that doesn’t need to happen

chemicalwonka, (edited )
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Maybe a new form to navigate the web will emerge from the FOSS community. I really hope all of us join this to support the new web that we need to make to fight back the big tech greed. Some through code expertise and others through money donates to support the projects that we love. But I don’t want to be much idealistic about the future. I’ m just dreaming high

quat,

The Gopher renaissance era perhaps?

wewbull,

Foss needs to break compatibility with WEI clients in the web servers. Yes, big companies will work around it, but it would do two things.

  1. Be enough of a pain for people to notice the web had split.
  2. Send a loud message that embrace and extend is not acceptable.
yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

At that point we might see a split between corporate and open internet.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If and only “if” this split occur. Unfortunately only few tech conscious people about the importance of free internet as a whole and privacy will adhere to it. Will not be a big movement to harm the core of the big tech.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

My perspective on this is that it’s about sustainability as opposed to trying to compete with big tech in a zero sum game. For example, Mastodon or Lemmy aren’t able to compete with commercial platforms in terms of users, but that doesn’t mean they’re not viable communities. I can see a future where there’s a niche open internet that exists independently of the commercial one and I think that would be fine. As long as there are enough people to do development on platforms and browsers and to produce content, that’s all that really matters. In fact, a split might even be better because then we wouldn’t have companies interfering with how the network operates.

wewbull,

There is no split if chrome works on everything and Firefox works on half of stuff.

Firefox just gets labelled as broken.

SyJ,

Banks will force it pretty quickly. I can’t bank on a rooted android already.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, I think banks and online stores are the most likely early adapters of this.

bazo,

Wait what? New standard prohibits any AdBlock?

Makeshift,

if only adblockers could block these Firefox ads

spitz,
@spitz@lemmy.ml avatar

Nice try, Chrome.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Cunning line. 🏆

Aagje_D_Vogel,

“Less money from ad revenue means more ads for you.” - Alphabet.

Ascend910,

I just a bookmarklet to block the ends after the page load

ricecake,

what about brave shields?

Hagarashi8,
@Hagarashi8@sh.itjust.works avatar

meanwhile russians: what is ads?

EddieTee77,

Has anyone else had trouble with Google search on Firefox for Android recently? It freezes after it provides results so I can’t click links. Weirdly, I don’t have this issue with Chrome, Edge, or Samsung Internet.

serverjota,

Is this something that will only affect Google Chrome or other chromium based browsers immediately? I’m on Firefox already but the change isn’t so appealing to friends who are on Google Chrome.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

The concern with WEI proposal is that it’s going to be server enforced. Basically, the server will require browsers to be signed and will refuse to talk to ones it doesn’t recognize the signature for. This will mean that you’ll only be able to talk to such servers using a browser that’s approved by whoever distributes these certs. This is a great explanation of the whole scheme.

wewbull,

So we need some brave people to put tests on their server and block anyone using a client that responds to this authentication.

Sadly, for most people, there’s no site that isn’t run by a FANG that they know exists. Maybe we need to put the blocks in Apache and nginx instead.

Neve8028,

I’ve tried firefox but there’s one main issue that I haven’t been able to find a way around. I have a macbook from work and am able to switch between full screen applications with control+left/right arrows or swipe gestures which I use all the time. When I open Firefox in full screen, it seems to lock itself as the full screen application. Anyone know if there’s a way to prevent that? It’s really annoying and just messes with my entire workflow. It’s literally the only reason I haven’t made the switch yet.

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