Is it possible to partially disable federation to not pollute the server and keep focus?

I’d like to create a safe space without distraction and a focus on specific topics.

But as soon as a user from my instance posts or reacts to something outside of my instance, a lot of data gets transferred and everyone from my instance will see the post in the “All” timeline.

This could lead to a lot of distraction pretty fast, especially people with ADHD could lose track if they see some interesting stuff from other instances. I want to avoid this and give them a safe space to be able to focus.

The only way I figured out was to deactivate federation at all. There is only one button in the settings.

But I would like to keep the feature that people could comment from other Fediverse tools like Mastodon, Kbin, Peertube, etc., but it doesn’t work anymore, if federation is deactivated.

Is there a way to keep away all federated content from other instances, which got in touch with my users (proactively cross-posted stuff is okay), but keep the feature so people from other instances could post something?

And it would be okay if my users comment on external posts, too, but not all people on my instance have to know it or get distracted by it.

Thank you for your help :)

GregorGizeh ,

You should use only the local feed then, that’s pretty much what you want, no? Only content posted to your instance.

utopify_org OP ,
@utopify_org@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, that’s exactly what I described with the issue, that a lot of other features will be deactivated too, because there is only one button for everything.

But if you know it: How exactly do I deactivate the “All Feed” to not pollute my server and avoid distractions to the users, but let them comment on external posts, without having the complete post on my instance and let external people comment on posts on my instance?

Thanks for your help.

GregorGizeh ,

Am just a layman myself so I don’t know with certainty either, but I don’t believe that is currently an available function. Either instances are federated or they are not, no in between.

RoundSparrow ,

How exactly do I deactivate the “All Feed” to not pollute my server and avoid distractions to the users, but let them comment on external posts

How would they ever find the external posts to comment on in the first place?

utopify_org OP ,
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Like normal people! :D

Go to another instance, if you find something interesting, copy the link and paste it to the search field of your instance. After that federation starts and you can post.

There must be at least one person doing this, because otherwise ALL wouldn’t contain anything from other instances.

But it’s a little bit sad, that you’ve never done this and only look at all. It means you watch only stuff other people on your instance have seen but you don’t get further.

RoundSparrow ,

Like normal people! :D Go to another instance, if you find something interesting

So “normal people” would go read another instance just to bring a single comment or post over. They may as just well join the other instance. Which is what I see actually happening… Many of these lemmy accounts are the same person duplicated to route around crashes.

But it’s a little bit sad, that you’ve never done this and only look at all.

If you had any clue what I have been personally doing with lemmy for the past 90 days, you would laugh at yourself. I’ve been logging in to several different Lemmy servers every single day for months and posting about my observations… such as when a big instance put new user interfaces online, upgrade their backend, crash on their home page, etc.

kense ,

If you had any clue what I have been personally doing with lemmy for the past 90 days, you would laugh at yourself.

Hey, we are someone who notices, and do not laugh at all, but appreciate everything you do!

utopify_org OP ,
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At this point it sounds like you don’t know how federation work, otherwise you wouldn’t have different accounts.

RoundSparrow ,

You really have blind faith that federation even works, when I’ve been validating data and highlighting that delivery is not reliable when it has so much overhead it crashes servers.

utopify_org OP ,
@utopify_org@lemmy.ml avatar

Sorry about my last post. After reading it again, it sounded rude.

Sorry! I am a little bit stressed right now, because I was working the last 2-3 weeks to set up a Lemmy instance, working every day on it and one issue after another appeared and now it even looks like that comments don’t even reach me, because they land in the void because of the reinstall problem.

I could cry!

RoundSparrow , (edited )

Lemmy is pretty immature as code to actually run in production. It may be well over 4 years old, but the whole thing seems to have very little in the way of information that a server operator can look at to check the health and problems under the covers. It also doesn’t deal with unrecognized data very well and hides a lot of errors in a log where the messages are often not very much of a hint what is going on.

Lemmy surely is unique, as I almost never see people using it actually criticize the code for quality assurance and testing. More often than not, I see people cheering and defending it. I’ve had to look through this experience and code as it is more run like an art project or a music band than any serious focus on data integrity or performance concern.

utopify_org OP ,
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Do you know a good programmed forum software? Because one of the reasons I chose Lemmy was, that it was content based, like a classical forum and that’s what I need.

But the second thing what I need is, to be able to access the posts/comments via an API, like REST to process them.

I am at a point where I will throw away the work of the last 3 weeks to get some useful software, because it looks like Lemmy will just create unnecessary work, which could have been avoided, if it would have been clean programmed.

I already checked phpBB, it doesn’t have a REST API :/

RoundSparrow ,

I haven’t looked around at alternatives.

Lemmy has a lot of front-end app development going on and I think that’s one of the big strengths. The API can be bloated with a lot of duplicate data in JSON responses but it is usable.

russjr08 ,
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I haven’t looked into forums software in a long time, but Discourse is what I hear often recommend.

utopify_org OP ,
@utopify_org@lemmy.ml avatar

Discourse

Not really a fan of Discourse. It has a lot of nonsense implemented, like a lot of achievements, which pollute the notifications and distracts from what you want to do. I find it as distracting, as the “all feed” of Lemmy, which shows everything a user of your instance touched, which is a weird concept imho.

russjr08 ,
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Fair enough then! I guess in that case maybe Lemmy with federation disabled is your best bet? I know you mentioned not doing this in your original post, but since if you were to use a standard message board software, it’s unlikely to have federation implemented (at least, I don’t know of any that work with ActivityPub) so you wouldn’t be losing anything more than with the other approach.

You could even go with lemmyBB which is Lemmy, with a standard forums interface.

utopify_org OP ,
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The problem if you deactivate federation is, that people think, they can post with their Mastodon account, but it fails.

But another problem is, that if you deactivate federation, all the federated content stays in the “all feed” and people might still post there. And federated communities show up to after deactivation. This is sloppy craftsmanship, again, and I could cry, if I see stuff like this, or did I just missed how to get rid of federated content after deactivating federation?

I tried to install lemmyBB, but the README is pretty broken and I couldn’t even find someone, who has this front-end running. I already opened an issue on github and it looks like lemmyBB only works with an older version of lemmy :/

Maybe I just copy my first posts, which got ghost data federated (from older installations), so the posts get a new id and people are able to post comments again (which can be seen by me). So at least one problem will be solved.

Nemo ,

No, OP is saying that if you keep federation, but only browse by “local”, you will not see posts brought in from other instances by other users. That’s only a thing if you browse by “all”.

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