@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek At least, Neelix's love for Kes is stronger than Tuvok's for T'Pel. Sure, they probably concur in them meeting is agreeable but that's about it in terms of romantic feelings. So when having feelings … let's just say, the choice is not … equal
@shaedrich@allstartrek So, reading between the lines, if Neelix and Kes had been married for years and had children, Tuvix might take a more balanced approach? 🤔 Maybe the Tuvok side is like, "Hey, don't look at me—this other guy is the one who is horny on main!" 😁
@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek It's not just about marriage length but more so about Vulcans suppressing feelings—but at least, we see him exploring feelings in that one episode where he has some kind of amnesia.
@shaedrich@allstartrek Putting aside Tuvok's prexisting internal conflict regarding his own feelings, if his Vulcanness is suppressing his feelings, then it also should weigh in on what the logic of the situation dictates (which it never really does)—otherwise, the Neelix side will always win out.
@shaedrich@allstartrek Conversations like this remind me of how challenging it is to create. The time writers get to create an episode is finite, and the time we have to pick it apart it once aired is infinite. 😂 This episode is really top-shelf stuff and I am just amazed at how thought-provoking it is.
@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek I wholeheartedly agree. Creating is awesome but it involves choosing from infinite possibilities, anticipating the outcome, staying on budget and finding common ground with enough people in the decision-making chain. And of course: Having to go on strike if your employer refuses to pay you reasonably.
@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek Also, the amount of people to pick it apart is infinite, so someone will definitely always find something. You can't plan ahead for this. Nonetheless, (and even if I dislike her decision) the episode is great—as is so much of Voyager
@shaedrich@allstartrek I legit wondered why Janeway wasn't crying after she left sickbay, and then I saw her face and was like, duh, she's the captain, she can't cry, she's gotta make a decision and stick with it. Hats off to Cliff Bole, the director, too. He made some great choices.
@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek Yeah, that makes sense. There could have been a scene afterwards, where she—as always—might be disturbed in letting her guard down for just a moment.
@shaedrich@allstartrek They just went to credits and I was like "fuuuuuuuuuck." Darkest ending scene of any Trek episode ever, including TNG Borg ones.
@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek Rewatching the scene, it could have been a bit less subtle but besides that: Yes, the scene tells it all. No need for additional scenes emphasizing her emotional weight added
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It's interesting that most of the darkness is because the climax is portrayed as an execution, but I wonder if that is really so?
Is #Tuvix executed because his personality/body is now split into two separate beings that go on living, or is it just one more (unnatural in this case) biological change #Tuvok and #Neelix, continue to grow and mature?
Would a medical issue from the merge, maybe one that is terminal, change the calculation? #AllStarTrek
@kcarr2015@ColesStreetPothole@allstartrek Well, first, this is highly philosophical. Even though, called that way, I don't necessarily think of it as an execution, yet, the fact can't be overlooked that the act was done unconsentingly—which, considering the morals of the Federation, should be at least highly questionable if not justiciable
@shaedrich@kcarr2015@allstartrek We don't know how Tuvix retained, accessed, and felt about his individual sides, but he was now one consciousness—Tuvix—with two pasts. That consciousness was begging that its existence be continued, not ended so that his two sides could return to living separately, as two consciousnesses.
For me, that is enough. I don't have the capacity to overrule what Tuvix is saying—he saw it as an execution.
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