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ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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But opening up that definition

It’s not “opening up” a definition. It is the definition.

But opening up that definition means we need another way to refer to people who are physically transitioning, because there are meaningful differences in their experiences and needs.

No we don’t. Not everyone who undergoes medical transition undergoes the same journey. Some folk want surgery, some folk want HRT, some folk want both, some folk want one but not the other. Some folk want to micro dose, some folk want to replicate cis hormone levels.

There is no meaningful catch all term that summarises the needs of all of those folk. Trying to find a single term to capture that spectrum leads to a single narrative of what medical transition looks like, and makes it harder for people to transition on their own terms.

The language we need to talk about these things already exists, and is improving and changing with time. Nothing is gained by returning to the old days of binary terms and all or nothing language.

there’s nothing inherently gatekeeping about it;

Yes there is. It’s defining folk who medically transition as being a different class of trans folk. We’re not a different class. We all of us have unique needs, and the language should focus on those individual needs, whether they’re medical, social or other.

Defining “trans” to be narrower than the wider definition is only wrong because we’re attached to the current definition

This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my original reply. I’m a binary trans woman, who medically transitioned with all of the bells and whistles, and so I get lumped in with people who genuinely believe statements like this.

I actively, loudly and strongly disagree with what you’ve said here, and I hate that people often assume I share beliefs like that. Defining the term trans to be narrower than it is is gatekeeping, end of story. It denies people the right to their own identity. That is inherently bad. People define for themselves, even in a hypothetical scenario where bad faith actors try and fuck it up

ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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I haven’t seen any gatekeeping to exclude those that haven’t gone through physical transition

There’s a whole branch of trans gatekeepers called transmed/truscum that do exactly that!

ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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Well, the easiest example is that some people use “trans” to mean anyone who has physicslly started to transition, others consider someone to be trans when they decide to broadcast their new gender identity, and others consider them to have always been trans. The opinion on which one is correct is often quite strong.

Yep. People have strong feelings about their own journeys and identities. They’re welcome to do that. But when they start having strong feelings about other people’s journeys and identities, when they feel like that get to decide who isn’t and isn’t trans based on whatever criteria they particularly feel to be important, then they’re gatekeeping.

Those are the truscum and transmeds I want nothing to do with.

but that opens up the system for abuse by bad actors looking to false flag the trans community.

No it doesn’t. That’s just an excuse people use to post hoc validate their gatekeeping.

ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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As I said though, what language are we lacking that we don’t already have?

ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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Why? What language are we lacking that would help if added, that wouldn’t just lead to more gatekeeping?

We already have the language to talk about various elements of social and medical transition.

ada, to asklemmy in Do you have a story about when you saw snow for the first time?
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I’ve never seen snow…

Unless you count from an aeroplane…

ada, to superbowl in 2023 Owl of the Year Winner!!! White Faced Scops Owl!!!
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Santa, is that you?

ada, to superbowl in Awaiting the Supersuperbowlbowl results
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I guess owl wait longer for the results

You’re a hoot

ada, to asklemmy in What groups you are unwillingly associated with? How you handle it?
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Transmeds. Trans folk who gatekeep other trans folk, and think they can say who is “really trans” and who isn’t.

ada, to asklemmy in If you were to divide your life into chapters, what would they be?
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In the closet and out of the closet

ada, to asklemmy in Can someone answer a nagging question i have about CRT?
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Those are not major defining traits. They could be, but they’re not.

ada, to superbowl in Owl of the Year Match 27 - Snowy Owl vs Flammulated Owl
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You’re going down Snow!

ada, to asklemmy in Out of all the cars you've owned, which one holds a special place in your heart as the absolute favourite.
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Let’s just say I’ve raised a child who is now an adult, all without a car. By now, I know the inconveniences and opportunities it costs me well, but for me, they’re just not enough of a reason.

ada, to mtf in how did you deal with internalised transphobia?
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I spent a lot of time and money striving towards passing. And then I got there, and I found that it cost me something I really value. My queerness is largely invisible at work. Random trans folk I see look right past me. Visibility is important to be (though I didn’t realise that at the time) and I lost a lot of my ability to be easily visible

ada, to asklemmy in Can someone answer a nagging question i have about CRT?
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The thing is, hair is equally as heritable, and immediately visible. As humans, we can see and categorise skin equally with hair.

The fact that we don’t use hair as a major defining trait though is arbitrary. That’s just social norms, nothing more.

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