But Andrew Robinson has been pretty open about the fact that he played Garak as being sexually attracted to Bashir, and DS9 writer, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, has said that he had that in mind when writing scenes between the two characters.
If I can offer a counter argument to what others who’ve replied to you have said, in my opinion, season three of PIC is the single worst season of Star Trek to date. Nothing but empty, cynical fanservice, and the introduction of the worst sort of Scrappy-Doo character in Picard’s adult son, Jack Crusher.
People like the season because it’s getting the TNG band back together, but the season embodies all the complaints that were levelled at season one, justified or unjustified, but simply has some familiar faces. Slop in a trough.
“Nemesis” was never meant to be a send off, though. It’s not great by any measure, but I still think it was more entertaining than season three of PIC despite all that.
Nah, seasons one and two were at least trying something, to varying degrees of success. All season three attempted was cramming its plot so full of nostalgia bait, the audience wouldn’t see just how rotten it was at the core.
We don’t really know how much of Airiam’s internal organs remained. Unfortunately we barely learned anything about the character before she was killed to try and provoke a reaction in the audience because they showed us some flashbacks that same episode.
This is not your place to tell people to fuck off out of Risa. If you see something bigoted, you know where the report button is. Throwing a tantrum does no one any favours.
Did you go browsing through someone’s post history elsewhere on Lemmy to try and dunk, then report them when they argued with you? Absolutely pathetic. Have threes days off to touch grass.
One of the Bajorans serving on Voyager wore an earring. Gerron, the young former Maquis that was part of Tuvok’s boot camp in “Learning Curve” had to give up his.
There’s also Tabor from “Nothing Human”, and Tal Celes from “The Good Shepard”, neither of whom wore the earring on screen in the four total episodes they appeared in. Tal also had her given name before her family name, which is not the Bajoran tradition.
Even Seska didn’t wear the earring when she was still undercover as a Bajoran, and likely could have gotten away with it thanks to her closeness to Chakotay.
Tossing around terms like “pansy” and “milf,” implying somehow that someone shouldn’t be taken seriously as a woman because of their haircut. Nah, this sucks.
Discovery also had hologram communication technology that I guess was also a secret? Starfleet went back to flatscreens for everything and didn’t use holograms again until the 24th century.
In “The Undiscovered Country” we see the Klingons are watching the Federation President’s discussion with Azetbur using a grainy hologram. If they’re able to receive a holographic signal, that implies that the Federation is transmitting one. Hell, even in the TOS episode, “Return of the Archons” when confronted with the holographic projection of Landru, Kirk and Spock recognize it for what it is right away, but the things they remark upon are the fact that there’s no visible projectors, and Kirk says it’s “Beautiful.”
I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch based on what we’ve see to say that Starfleet decided that holographic projections were too low fidelity compared to viewscreens.
Hell, it even happens again. As you note, they made another attempt at holographic communication in the 24th century, which we see in DS9 the Defiant is kitted out with the new holo-communicator, allowing a fully realized, high fidelity, holodeck quality real time holographic communication. And where else have we seen it? We never see the Enterprise E use that technology; In “Nemesis” Shinzon is able to broadcast a hologram of himself from the Scimitar to Picard’s ready room, but he claims it’s through the use of his own holo-emitters. We’ve never seen it in LDecks, PRO, or PIC, all of which take place after DS9.
So yeah, Starfleet went back to flat screens for everything.
It’s amazing, sometimes the complaint is that Disco is written like an action movie, and sometimes it’s that it’s written like a drama where the characters are overly emotional. I’m impressed that the writers have managed to create Schrodinger’s televisions show, where it’s in a quantum state of being whatever the person complaining about it needs it to be so long as they’re able to drive a narrative of it being bad.
I think to say that Disco has nothing that contradicts established canon is overselling it a bit. But, I will say that all Trek has violated established canon at one point or another, up to and including TOS itself, which was created by people who had no idea at the time that anyone would even remember it some 57 years later, let alone be obsessed with all this minutiae.
If we ignore visual continuity – which, as a life long comic book reader, I am more than happy to do – Disco still has some few contradictions here and there, but I will say that it actually toes the line without crossing over it too frequently fairly well, allowing it to have some interesting and new approaches to Trek.
Mushrooms have significantly less mysticism associated with them
Ah yes, psychedelics are famously not associated with mysticism.
The closest comparison to the mycelial network is Yggdrasil, which is solidly in the high fantasy category rather than sci-fi.
The closest comparison is actual fungal networks that exist beneath forests supporting life through the transference of nutrients and biochemical communication, are some of the largest organisms on the planet, and are actual nonfiction science.
All that is to say, I think the mycelial network needed more time to set up than the show gave it.
I think I can agree with you to some extent there. Stamets, by virtue of being standoffish and prickly when the character is introduced, is not the best at explaining things, and the concept could have used a better explanation early on to mitigate the response I’m complaining about with this post.
Not to mention the specific spores required for the drive to connect with the mycelial network come from one specific type of fungus that exists at least partially within subspace and doesn’t seem to be all that common.
When Quark is abducted from Deep Space 9 in “House of Quark” he’s taken clear across the entire Federation and into the Klingon Empire in about a day. And then D’Ghor sends someone to the station to grab Rom and get him back to Qo’noS the next day.
I would probably be more annoyed by the Klingon cloaking devices in season one if not for the fact that ship had already sailed when ENT established that the Romulans already had that technology a hundred years before “Balance of Terror”, and oh, so did the Suliban and the XyrIllians whom the crew of the Nx-01 also encountered.
Not to mention there’s a throw away line in one episode of season one about how the sensors are picking up massive power readings but can’t actually pinpoint the ships, and in “Balance of Terror” Spock notes that the Romulans must have figured out a way to bend light around their ship without the tremendous power draw. I have to assume someone on the writing team was trying to square that circle.
But yeah, the idea of a technology existing but not being widely used doesn’t bump me at all. This is like getting mad that when you go into watch the latest Marvel movie and they’re not using Smell-O-Vision. The technology exists! Hell, I can’t remember the last movie I saw in theatre that was 3d. Obviously they still exist, but it’s not a technology that’s really taken off once the gimmick lost its lustre. Or think about how many people, especially young people, prefer to text over talking on the phone.
So yeah, I don’t think anything is cheapened by the idea that a technology exists by is not widely used, and I do think it’s silly that anyone would make that argument.
You’re not wrong, but I do feel like that’s an over correction. They might as well have had text flashing at the bottom of the screen which read, “Sorry for the holograms, we didn’t realize how angry some of you would get.”
The big one – relatively speaking, of course – in my mind is the site to site transporting.
In “Day of the Dove”, Kirk asks Spock, ”Intra-ship beaming, is it possible?” and Spock rattled off a litany of reasons why it was considered too dangerous in all but the most necessary circumstances.
However, we see in Disco, starting with “Context is for Kings”, that they can just order the computer to transport them from one room of the ship to another without hesitation.
It’s a minor quibble all things considered. And clearly something most of the Disco detractors aren’t even aware of.
But it’s not a trail of spores going through space, and nothing in the show would lead someone who’d been paying the slightest amount of attention to think that’s the case.
The mycelial network is a layer of subspace, which the spore drive allows them to access because the specific fungus they cultivate exists partially in subspace. Stamets makes that clear in “Choose Your Pain”.
Subspace is entirely made up facilitate the stories that Trek tells. It was first mentioned in “Mudd’s Women”, the fourth episode of TOS to be produced. It has since served as a means of instantaneous communication across lightyears, as well as long range imaging vis subspace telescope, such as in “The Nth Degree”. The sensors aboard the ships also operate via subspace, allowing them to detect things lightyears away, and detect things ahead of them while travelling faster than light.
And we learned in the TNG episode “Schisms” that subspace can support life, and even has beings living there. Or at least some aspects of subspace do.
The spore drive in based on the real science of mycology, and extrapolated through a Trek lens. Nothing about it requires any sort of special property that has not already been established as existing within older episodes of Trek.
The only one insulting your intelligence is yourself by believing you’re not creative enough to figure out how the spore drive fits into the larger world of Trek.
Lorca’s not the only one who uses it in Disco, though. It actually happens relatively frequently in the first two season. Obviously for seasons three and four things have changed and it’s no longer an issue.
Hell, in SNW while Kirk is on the Enterprise in “Subspace Rhapsody” he prepares some samples collected outside the ship to be beamed to engineering and thinks nothing of that instance of intra-ship beaming. I guess he forgot that whole event where people broke out into song by the time he was mid-way through his own five year mission.
Yeah, I like Disco because I think they’re at least trying to do something, and that’s interesting to me. They don’t always succeed, but I respect the attempt. However, I fully get why people don’t like it.
My issue is with the silly complaints, not what amounts to a matter of taste.
In Discovery, instead of honorable warriors, the klingons are a bunch of sneaky backstabbing and coward warriors.
Like they are in TOS?
They also don’t look like klingons at all
Are you similarly upset by the change in appearance the occurred between TOS and TMP?
and architecture
Architecture? I don’t know, the House Mo’Kai fortress we see in season two doesn’t seem all that out of place. The rounded towers of the capital city seen in ENT is a greater divergence than anything we see in Disco. But that’s also fine, because architectural styles change over time.
the speak like their mouth is full of potatoes
And apparently, according to experts in the language, that’s the best Klingon has ever sounded on screen. Not really sure how that qualifies as a lore thing, though.
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JJ’s Trek films and Kelvin timeline would inject a cancer throughout Paramount’s Trek productions, namely Discovery.
JFC, this is pathetic.
Disco might not be to everyone’s taste, but to claim it’s a “cancer” is a tad bit dramatic, isn’t it. Especially when the writer goes on to praise most of the series which we never would have had if not for the success of Disco.
Not to mention the childish oversimplification of the spore drive, which has been explained on screen. Sci-fi fans really out here still complaining about “magic” mushrooms facilitating travel, but perfectly cool when it’s crystals like dilithium.
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