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Lionir, to opensource in Mozilla.ai is a new startup and community funded with 30M from Mozilla that aims to build trustworthy and open-source AI ecosystem

This is just enlightened centrism. No. Nobody needs to defend the harms done by technology.

We can accept the harm if the good is worth it - we have no need to defend it.

LLMs can work without the harm.

It makes sense to make technology better by reducing the harm they cause when it is possible to do so.

Lionir, to opensource in Mozilla.ai is a new startup and community funded with 30M from Mozilla that aims to build trustworthy and open-source AI ecosystem

I mean, I don’t understand the point of an encryption that people can decrypt without it being intended. Just seems like theatre to me.

But yeah, obviously the intended parties have to be able to decrypt it. I messed up in my wording.

Lionir, to opensource in Mozilla.ai is a new startup and community funded with 30M from Mozilla that aims to build trustworthy and open-source AI ecosystem

This is a false equivalence. Encryption only works if nobody can decrypt it. LLMs work even if you censor illegal content from their output.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Some of the posts linked in the OP include such a list but honestly, feel free to name any moderation feature and I’ll tell you how it’s actually broken in some fashion.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Not necessarily, we could move to a non-federated platform.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Some of the moderation issues that we’ve talked about in the past are linked in the OP post. I will say that it has only gotten worse over time. I cannot think of a single moderation feature which actually fully works. That is how bad I think things are. They’re all broken in subtle ways. Yes, even reports are broken.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Frankly, from what I have seen, kbin would actually be a downgrade when it comes to the issues we’re facing.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Well, we have stated that we are not trying to be reddit. There are more reddit-like alternatives than the more traditional forums that are possibilities.

We entirely expect that if we move away from Lemmy, we will lose people. Will that be for the better or the worse? Nobody can know as nobody can predict that future. It’s a very difficult position.

Lionir, to support in Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

GDPR is not an issue per se - we can delete people’s stuff easily. Can’t delete it from other people’s computers, that’s all.

This already applies to email and online archival tools - Lemmy is not much different in that regard. What is on the internet stays on the internet - all we can do is ask for it to be deleted.

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

That’s certainly an interesting perspective but I feel that it leans too much into quantifying destruction and creation based on the moral merit of these actions. It feels kinda like trying to justify rather than explain the relationship, I might be completely off base. What do you think?

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

I don’t catch how you correlate destruction and passion though. Would you like to elaborate?

Passion often leads to creation (which I interlink to destruction). The way destruction can be seen can vary a lot. It can be self-destruction when passion carries people too far; it can be destruction because we need to destroy the old to create the new; it can be destruction and creation because we are misguided about the current state of existence (I think the NieR games can be a really interesting exploration of that).

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

I would disagree that these are useful semantics because of the case I mentioned where I feel like adding a turret to a sandcaste is something meaningfully distinct from reducing a sandcastle to a pile of sand, walking 100 meters down the beach, and making a new one with the turret.

I guess to some level, this is the ship of Theseus problem. At what point is it still the same sandcastle?

I guess my theory of destruction assumes that for something so small - the addition of a turret seems to change the nature of the sandcastle. For example, in my mind, a sandcastle is simply an old medieval house for the aristocracy. If you add a turret, it no longer seems like a simple house - it gives new meaning to the castle.

If you agree that it’s meaningfully distinct then why insist on framing it in the same concepts instead of using the concept of change?

I think people certainly use it in distinctive ways but I think that framing it as destruction and creation makes people understand that to build something new, we must first abolish and deconstruct the old. I think the origin of my theory is harder to apply to a general context because of that.

For example, let’s say that we have a big friend group or some kind of self-governing body and we want to make it more diverse and inclusive. The first steps would be to deconstruct why the existing structure is pushing people away and once we’ve found why (say, people use slurs or regularly make “racist jokes”) then we have to destroy the ideas that made these behaviours socially acceptable. Only then can we build something anew.

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

This may seem somewhat trite but really and truly: it’s about how you define “destruction.”

Well, I did think of it more in an idea space rather than a physical space so there’s certainly a big difference in the application of destruction.

If we go with a more idea-based concept of destruction, destroying your own country is not necessarily a negative. Our countries and institutions are rarely perfect (and sometimes not good at all) so destroying them to create them anew or simply leaving their place empty can be good.

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

i think it’s possible to create passionately without destruction. i have a passion for animation. i could spend a few hours to create a flipbook animation for fun - am i destroying the notebook i used in the process? am i destroying the pencil and eraser to create this? am i destroying the time i spent to do something i enjoy? do these sound like silly questions?

Well, if you spend stretches too long that can have a negative effect on you - such as we can see in crunch culture, it could be argued to be a form of self-destruction. I know that to many artists, they tend to push themselves too hard because of their passion, not necessarily because of company policy.

That said, it could also be said that the notebook you’re using will never virgin again so it could be said that you’ve destroyed the book.

I do think the idea of destruction and creation can become a bit more absurdist sounding when they are applied to very small scales, I’ll give you that 😛

Lionir, to chat in Passion and destruction - a collective exploration

The idea being that originally, things were created out of raw chaos; after that, you need to deconstruct something to create something new. Either way, it’s violence: the imposition of one’s will onto something else.

I think this matches really well with what I’m getting at. I should read Nietzsche someday.

How do we balance our very human urge to create with an ethical imperative against violence?

Is violence necessarily evil? I understand aversion to it but there are plenty of improvements to society which people unfortunately had to use violence for and many of which I’d continue advocating for.

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