Tankiedesantski,

The NAFO dogs who swore up and down that Russia was genociding Ukraine are now very pro-Israel.

zephyreks,

Cite news, please.

yogthos,
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updated to add UN statement links

zephyreks,

Cheers, thanks!

LibertyLizard,
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Those links don’t support the numbers in your figure. One of them is even from 2015.

yogthos,
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my bad, updated with one for July 2023

Pyr_Pressure,

Ukraine has only lost 10,000? Didn’t an article the other day just claim that Russia has lost almost 300,000?

If both claims are true that’s a wild difference between the two.

Owljfien,

The 300k number is combatants, the 10k number is civilians

Krauerking, (edited )

Oh wow. That made me feel disgusted… I mean I’m not sure either of those numbers are accurate and I’m not even sure if it’s because they are lower or larger considering how fucked war is for communication and clear information.

But just the idea that we can be comparing the 2 makes for (I think) one of the few things to give you the horrors of war into a comprehensible scale since otherwise it’s just numbers.

We can see what Gaza and the city centers of dozens and dozens of apartments razed to the ground and think of the loss of life in that. And we know the horrors of a long war in Ukraine across towns and those injured being a logistical nightmare for aid even stretched over time.
Well so here we go, deaths like city being bombed, like a country being invaded, like families suddenly shrinking, like people screaming in pain in hospitals with no supplies.

It looks like war is coming back. Feel this and harden against it. “The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters.”

ArbitraryValue,

This is simply not true. The Ukrainian government (which I trust a little more than I trust Hamas) claims that approximately 25,000 civilians died in the siege of Mariupol alone.

Greensauce,

According to this article from February 2023, the UN listed civilian deaths at 8,000 including 2,000 from Mariupol.

Do you have a source for the Ukrainian government value you stated?

yogthos,
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Those numbers come directly from the ghost of Kyiv.

ArbitraryValue,
LibertyLizard,
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Seems to be total deaths so not directly comparable to civilian deaths. That said this graphic has no sources so points for trying I guess.

But the demographics and density of Gaza will likely make this a much deadlier conflict regardless of the exact numbers.

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