"The main and interesting conclusion in the abstract is that of the 45% of alumni not continuing in academic research, one third does industry research and one third is in a science-related profession."
Back in 2013, PhD holders (EMBL alumni here, considered a sample of "good PhDs" in the reasonning) who had obtained their PhD in 1997-2004 used to be 45% in academia plus 6% in post-doc.
Now in 2021, the cohort of PhDs of the same origin who have obtained their PhD in 2005-2012 (so also have 9 years of experience) are now 36% in academia plus 12% post-docs.
That sounds like a great program. Although it will only ever support a tiny number of people. And those people can have done quite
a substantial amount of work, post graduation it looks like.
I also wonder how different it really is from an independent postdoctoral fellowship.
Yes, these indeviduals are independent, but these aren't stable, long-term, tenure/tenure-track-like positions.
@IanSudbery@copdeb@cyclotopie@cyrilpedia@academicchatter yes, the program supports a very small number of people. The vast majority of PIs will do at least one post-doc.
Re: stability, applicants are required to provide quite a long list of information about the position they will hold if awarded, including whether or not it is permanent/TT; and institutional commitment is an explicit review criteria.
@IanSudbery@copdeb@cyclotopie@cyrilpedia@academicchatter of course, that doesn’t guarantee awardees will land in a secure position, and it would be good to have an analysis, but - I would be surprised if most DP5 awardees aren’t in stable, even TT jobs.
It would be interesting to hear how many of these institutions do offer a TT position.
I think for the equivalent Wellcome ECF program, a proleptic appointment is fairly rare, although not unheard of - we have an ECF with a proleptic, although they had already done a (short) postdoc before getting the ECF.
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