HeavenlyPossum,
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When IDF apologists accuse me of being a Jew-hater and Hamas apologists accuse me of being a Zionist for opposing the murder of children it does not, I assure everyone, convince me that I’m wrong.

HeavenlyPossum,
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The worst part about all these goons is their inability, or refusal, to acknowledge that their logic is equally applicable to anyone, including the population they consider to be valid targets of violence.

“My side was harmed so we can hurt anyone we want on your side in self defense” who said it best, Hamas or the IDF?

benni,
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@HeavenlyPossum maybe you should add the fact that one side in this equation is an organization with the only purpose of killing jews.

HeavenlyPossum,
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@benni

One side consists of civilians, and one side consists of people murdering those civilians. The first side is “all civilians everywhere” and the second side is “those actors with organized coercive capacity and the intent to use it to murder civilians to sustain their rule.”

No war but class war.

benni,
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@HeavenlyPossum there is a very active class war in israel, but none in gaza. because if you try to start one, hamas will murder you.

HeavenlyPossum,
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@benni

That is class war

benni,
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@HeavenlyPossum we can agree on the basis of "free gaza from hamas" then?

HeavenlyPossum,
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@benni

I’m not really interested in this whole “let’s find common ground” schtick that people do when I say “don’t murder children.”

benni,
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@HeavenlyPossum i am completely on board with "don't murder children". I am not on board with your narrative of a symmetry.

HeavenlyPossum,
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@benni

I don’t think it’s symmetrical—the IDF has vastly more capacity to murder children than Hamas and consistently uses it to murder more children than Hamas.

Don’t murder kids.

benni,
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@HeavenlyPossum You claim a moral symmetry, not a military one. This completely ignores the fact that there would be no murdering of kids at all without 10/7. And ignores the fact that the murdering of kids will go on forever if Hamas is not stopped, because they are not interesting of the well-being of any kids, including there own.

bifouba,
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@HeavenlyPossum Same with the “couldn't you at least let the Israelis grieve before bringing up what happened before and has been happening since?" Sure, and what if we applied that to the people dying in Gaza? How do you formulate that principle symmetrically without implying that respect for the victims in Gaza implies not talking about Oct 7?

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