FrankFrank,
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Hamas are terrorists, it's that simple.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR7EL42a/

dustcircle,
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@FrankFrank so is the IDF

RememberUsAlways,
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@dustcircle

No. Just wrong. You support Hamas if you consider Israel at fault for the Oct 7 terrorist attack on Israel.

Can you even hear yourself?
@FrankFrank

dustcircle,
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@RememberUsAlways I support ennocent people that are slaughtered on both sides. Any group that would kill civilians (incl. the USA) are being terrorist.

RememberUsAlways,
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@dustcircle

The logic loop is how terrorists operate.
Can you tell me if every nation that has a military is a terrorist state?

Because that is the circle in your logic.

Hamas is at terror. Israel is at war. Your circle logic makes everyone a terrorist.
@FrankFrank

dustcircle,
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@RememberUsAlways If they are purposely killing groups of unarmed citizens, yes they are.

Read the second sentence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

RememberUsAlways,
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@dustcircle

If you can justify a fucking target, civilian casualty is an acceptable part of #war
Acceptable internationally in the Hague and UN.

Simply have to justify the target.

I'm amazed at how few people understand the rules of engagement.

Could it be that war is ok when Russia does it but not ok If anyone else?
I can't seem to find any anti war in Ukraine posts from you.
@FrankFrank

lucybeahere,
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@RememberUsAlways @dustcircle @FrankFrank
If you’re trying to justify the Israeli govt’s actions by saying Russia is ok, that’s not really going to make it any more palatable to the vast majority of people. The ICC has a warrant out for Putin, and the European Parliament considers Russia a state sponsor of terrorism. Hamas, Putin, Netanyahu. I said it yesterday, and I’ll say it again: They are all ugly, corrupt, obsessive warmongers who have no desire for peace.

RememberUsAlways,
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@lucybeahere @dustcircle @FrankFrank

The ICC can issue feckless warrants all day.

The United Nations Security Council is held hostage by Russia and China.

Has Russia declared war on Ukraine?

lucybeahere,
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@RememberUsAlways
Again, your comments can not justify the Israeli govt’s actions. Their words and their actions have targeted the Palestinian people, not Hamas. Just as Russia and Hamas have done. It is abhorrent, and I fear that it is making Israel more vulnerable. Allies are beginning to temper their statements of support, and I am sure that Israel’s enemies are watching avidly.

ihavenopeopleskills,
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@lucybeahere Despite the fact that Hamas hides amongst innocent civilians?

@FrankFrank @dustcircle @RememberUsAlways

RememberUsAlways,
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@ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle @lucybeahere

It's an unfortunate fact that Hamas uses human shields to extract demands.

Civilians are always the casualty of war.

skydog,
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@RememberUsAlways @ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle @lucybeahere

People don't seem to want to see the distinction between targeting civilians, and targeting a military target that entails civilian casualties.

The onset of this war was a clear, clear, clear targeting of civilians. Pure barbarism, for no direct military purpose. Kill people up front, and take more people hostage who stand a good chance of ending up dead, being used as human shields with other Palestinians trapped in the crossfire...by an Hamas leadership that resides well away from any threat themselves.

RememberUsAlways,
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@skydog @ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle @lucybeahere

I agree Stu.
The timing of October 7th is critical to understanding that Hamas knew how Israel would respond.

Hamas' then withdraws immediately into Gaza, telling Israel to "open the jails."

skydog,
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@RememberUsAlways @ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle @lucybeahere

That this was done on the Yom Kippur anniversary underlines how long this has been planned. One cannot invest that much in a planning cycle, and still have delusions as to the reaction to a plan. Or at least, it's hard to envision such an operation being so miscalculated that they didn't foresee devastation of their own area...and they wouldn't have built such an intricate tunnel system for defense/offensive headquarters.

The tunnels are reminiscent of Vietnam. I hope the tactical expertise of tunnel ratting has not been lost.

RememberUsAlways,
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@skydog @ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle @lucybeahere
So well said, thank you Stu.
Either conclusion shows inhumane levels of neglect in this evil gesture by Hamas.

lucybeahere,
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@RememberUsAlways @skydog @ihavenopeopleskills @FrankFrank @dustcircle
Of course, that’s the point. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, and they know the Israeli govt doesn’t either. They knew that the Israeli response would be horrific. Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu want there to be peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Their power comes from fear and anger, and their people suffer for it.

FrankFrank,
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@lucybeahere @RememberUsAlways @skydog @ihavenopeopleskills @dustcircle

This is a no botherism whataboutism zone.

"Of course that’s the point. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, and they knew that the Israeli response would be horrific. Hamas doesn't want there to be peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Hamas's primary motivation is the continuation of billions in revenue stream generated from black market tunnel taxes, & humanitarian aid."
Fixed it.

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