BROOT,

A government that bans a song is definitely the good guys, right? …right guys?

Killakomodo,
@Killakomodo@kbin.social avatar

What ever do you mean, I am told by plenty of people here that China is just a misunderstood communist society that is great, why would Hong Kong NOT want to be with China /s

BROOT,

Imagine the beauty of being part of something so wonderful and huge beyond the individual! Everyone from HK could have the pleasure of participating in the mass genocide of Chinese minority groups or forced relocation to work camps!

0x815, (edited )

<a href="">@Killakomodo</a>

why would Hong Kong NOT want to be with China /s

There are a lot of reasons (as you probably know yourself), but to give you a report published just this week.

Submission to the Universal Periodic Review of China

This submission highlights Human Rights Watch’s concerns regarding Chinese government human rights violations. Since the previous UPR in 2018, China’s authoritarian government under President Xi Jinping—who began an unprecedented third term in 2022—has deepened repression inside the country and sought to undermine human rights abroad. Authorities have arbitrarily detained human rights defenders, tightened control over civil society, media, and the internet, and deployed invasive mass surveillance technology. The government imposes particularly heavy-handed control in Xinjiang and Tibet. Authorities’ cultural persecution and arbitrary detention of a million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims since 2017 amount to crimes against humanity. In Hong Kong, the government imposed draconian national security legislation in 2020 and systematically dismantled the city’s freedoms. The government hindered international efforts to investigate the origins of Covid-19, muzzled critics abroad, and undermined global human rights institutions. People across China and in the diaspora took to the streets in late 2022 to demand human rights and democracy in China.

You’ll find much more across the web.

bedrooms,

Freedom of expression is actually counterintuitive outside the west. You have to be taught the concept. The human instinct is to go hive mind perhaps.

BROOT,

I would disagree, and cite that a BUNCH of the worlds oldest poetry and art all comes from Eastern civilizations. We are herd animals by instinct, but self expression as a default setting has to be stamped out through long term systemic violence.

bedrooms, (edited )

I'm not talking about the dark age era nor the origin of freedom of expression.

Well, I don't understand how citing old poetry and arts from the east disproves my point in the first place, so if you dare want to convince a random internet person like me, you'd start from explaining why that's the case.

naeap,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

In Austria we have an so called ‘Index’ of creative works, that are not allowed in public or to be sold - not sure if property is disallowed as well.

I don’t think, that hiding things helps any discussion, but I’m usually not the one, that makes those decisions…

BROOT,

I think contextually that’s a little bit different. Austria has some material that could be, without much effort, tied to supporting nazism banned.

naeap,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

There is also much punk (e.g. Kein Gerede - WIZO) on the index, so absolutely not tied to nazism in quite some cases, but only being anti establishment

photonic_sorcerer,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A brave deed!

dewritoninja,

He can look to having an accident on the near future

Matthew,

What’s China’s version of falling out of windows?

mifan,
@mifan@feddit.dk avatar

People just disappear. Sometimes they turn up in labor/internment/concentration camps, sometimes they don’t.

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