I’m not saying everybody who hurts somebody is “pathological” or “psychotic”. I’m saying ERW specifically exhibits a lack of capacity for empathy, a total lack of self awareness or awareness of the effects of her behavior, and has no concern or even acceptance of those effects as reality when confronted with them, and what she does and how she is is characteristic of ASPD.
the facts of the situation are what they are, i’m not disputing that. i still don’t think you have enough information or expertise to make clinical claims about her from this situation. you probably know more about the situation than i do, but neither of us are close enough to the intimate details of her personal life to make a diagnosis. you have to be making some assumptions here, and those assumptions seem to follow from her doing a number of pretty messed up things, which is not in itself enough to constitute ASPD pathology. like, one of the requirements for diagnosis for ASPD is having evidence of a conduct disorder before 15 years of age, and we just straight up don’t know enough about her childhood to determine that.
i’m not saying you’re saying that everybody who hurts somebody is pathological, i’m saying that pathology cannot be assumed solely from harm caused to others. she could just really fucking hate Manson, and was a relatively well adjusted person before this whole mess happened. she could have a number of other personality disorders which cause harmful social behavior. she could just be an asshole. none of the things she did are the exclusive domain of the mentally ill, let alone the exclusive domain of people with ASPD, and that’s kinda what bothers me. if she has no formal diagnosis for ASPD, why do you feel so confident labeling her with that? if doing bad things is all you feel you need to diagnose her with ASPD, what does that say about your understanding of ASPD as a mental illness? you’ve articulated the things she’s done, and the abuse she inflicted on her child. why must it be attached to a pathology? like, it seems to me a little stigmatizing. you’ve drawn a link between abusive behavior and ASPD tight enough that you seem relatively certain she has the disorder. at the very least, we don’t know that with any large certainty, and we do know that humans have done terrible things to each other since forever, and for a wide array of reasons.