Utrecht University chose not to be included on the Times Higher Education rankings

It is “virtually impossible to capture the quality of an entire university with all the different courses and disciplines in one figure," the university said.

Utrecht University said it did not provide any data to the makers of the British trade magazine Times Higher Education’s World University Rankings, so they couldn’t determine a score. According to Utrecht University, the rankings place “too much emphasis on scoring and competition,” while the university says it considers collaboration and openness of scientific research to be more important.

HowRu68, (edited )

Good someone , i.e. Utrecht, started to bail out of the current ranking system. Continental Universities are hard to compare with British & American ones, afaik. The teacher- student contact is more on the foreground compared to the latter.

Ergo, if teachers need to write papers all the time to maintain ranking, they’ll have actually less time to bother with teaching and maintaining contact with students progress & question. Imo, this is a very important element in (higher) education. *Edit

Tommelot,

So that bad, huh?

ratskrad,

The "integrity" part is a very valid criticism. A big part of these rankings is how many papers the faculty publish per year. So you see a lot of higher ranked universities' professors adding their names to a lot of reasearches where they didn't really do anything except review/advise.

Tvkan, (edited )

University rankings are prime examples of “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”

The amount of worthless papers, international exchanges etc. I’ve seen at my university is astounding.

0x815, (edited )

Yes, in the business world this often comes with the Icarus paradox, a phenomenon that eventually leads to a business’s failure by the very elements that brought its temporary success before.

Endorkend,
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

MedUni near me used to be like that, which ended up deteriorating the quality of doctors they put out so considerably, the hospitals in the country that historically would employ the graduates coming out of there instantly, were starting to hire primarily elsewhere.

They since switched to being far less "churning out papers" focused and putting a lot of time and effort in applicable research and experience training and that turned everything around again.

Their ranking on that shitlist Times puts out dropped (considerably) as a result, yet the request from foreign students to study there surged.

Your reputation in your region and sector is still more important than some fictitious score some media outlet gives you.

bernieecclestoned,

Nothing is perfect, but it seems reasonable to rank universities based on their performance in education attainment and research?

oroboros,

How do you rank research output consistently. Every university is expected to create their own exam content, how do you effectively measure education attainment across universities?

bernieecclestoned,

timeshighereducation.com/…/world-university-ranki…

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/086d58f9-72d1-4f66-86f1-62246040a102.webp

sab,
@sab@kbin.social avatar

Push for research outputs can also create perverse incentives for rapid publishing in whatever is considered quality journals - which are usually themselves associated with universities - rather than the pursuit of quality research and academic integrity.

It leads to increased strain on researvhers and a unfruitful obsession with any kind of academic output that can be easily counted. Of course research outputs are inherently important, but the whole academic publishing industry has just gotten weird the last decade or so.

oroboros,

A university I know of brought in a policy of only two terms for postdocs, so regardless of where they were in their research, they either had to become a lecturer or move on.

The reason behind this was to bring new postdocs in. Not to increase the quality of the research, but because it was a very effective way of opening up access to new funding streams.

These funding streams are of course very time limited and commercially driven, so what normally happens is some half assed piece of work is produced, with possibly an attempt to monetised and then more often than not discarded. Actually producing work that furthers an academic field seems to be very much down the list of priorities…

dth,
@dth@lemmy.world avatar

utrecht uni w! munir would be so proud.

oroboros,

Sounds like a great university!

dth,
@dth@lemmy.world avatar

it sure is! my (unofficial) national hero on human rights (who got murdered by dictatorship regime back then) went there to study.

fristislurper,
@fristislurper@feddit.nl avatar

I think this is quite a common criticism to have, but a top-100 uni like this probably profits from keeping the status quo. Takes a bit of courage to step up.

Anekdoteles,

Not courage, but integrity. It’s easy to criticize anything, if you don’t have to pay any price. You can either cuddle yourself comfortly in your nice words or act on them, but only the latter is what counts.

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