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blacksheep, to kbin in Magazine dedicated to discussions about the kbin itself. Provide feedback, ask questions, suggest improvements, and engage in conversations related to the platform organization, policies, features, and community dynamics.

What is the difference between boosts and upvotes?

Is there a way to collapse comment threads? Can something like that be added please.

aroom, to random in The growing list of subreddits going to be dark, but these are Lemmy or /kbin equivalents
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could someone explain me how to subscribe to magasine that are not on kbin. I'm on kbin.social and when I clic on a link that is on Lemmy I can't subscribe, I need to log into Lemmy.

Kierunkowy74,
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  1. Click the search icon (magnifying glass) on the top bar
  2. Type name of the community in the form @community.

Yes, native Lemmy format of this community adress would actually be !community, but this does not work on /kbin yet.

Emu,
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This is so annoying and doesn't provide a good user experience. Normal users just want easy access and one community platform. At least reddit does that well. Normal people won't sign up this if it's so weird to be across multiple sites and using those "codes". Why don't they just make it easy..

ernest, to kbinMeta in Boosting and upvoting are conceptually different
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This is something I'm currently experimenting with. I understand your point of view, but boosts are the only way to increase the range in the fediverse, and they are extremely important. I am definitely open to discussing this topic. I will come back to it later.

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tojikomori,
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Thanks, this is a really helpful roundup of links – a lot to consider.

This comment is especially interesting. It makes me think kbin should stop translating "upvotes" and "downvotes" into Fediverse concepts, and should instead embrace the Fediverse concepts and present them directly: instead of upvote and downvote buttons we could have 🚀 (boost) and ⭐️ (favorite) buttons, perhaps with a combined score for sorting. It would mean abandoning downvotes, but it sounds like downvotes are a problem anyway.

That would give us a reputation system that makes it clear what you're doing when you boost a post or comment, but also one that won't be jarring to users of other apps and instances.

ned, to random in Kbin Roadmap 2023

Saw an interesting random post about kbin written in Italian. The guy liked the idea, but said he doesn't like PHP.

ernest,
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ned,

Strangely enough, in this particular context, I'd say PHP is better than Rust, cause at least you get a garbage collector.
Solid logic with sticking with what you can prototype in quickly. That's a lot more important than performance. However, people hate PHP, so it's gonna be hard to find help (I assume it doesn't matter, it seems like a solo mission :)

Perhaps, this type of discussion should be avoided. Maybe some kinda FAQ section where you explain why Lemmy isn't satisfactory for you.

ernest,
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I totally agree, I want to have an FAQ where I explain various aspects of the project. I just started writing it down on the wiki.

https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/wiki

ned,

Hmm, this sounds like Pidgin (or any other universal messenger) for ActivityPub.

The first paragraph is quite confusing. Could you explain why a content aggregator should be combined with microblogging?

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

This is difficult to describe in a few sentences, it's just a preliminary sketch of one of the sections. I need to gather my thoughts and I think once I finish it, everything will be much clearer.

ned,

ernest, I like this project cause you've been so responsive and enthusiastic.

I don't like microblogging. The only good application for it is for discovery without advanced search. I'd prefer the focus to be on well written articles, engaging podcasts, and video documentaries. What's that called macroblogging? Monetization, haha? We gotta give people an incentive to produce thoughtful content. I'd recommend integrating with LBRY. That could be another NLnet project: ActivityPub to LBRY bridge.

The microblogging aspect could be automated with a summarizer, and autoposted.

This would be an awesome service for me, I'd pay $5/mo to have it.

ernest,
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Hi @ned,

I don't like microblogging. The only good application for it is for discovery without advanced search

I am currently working on a search engine. It will be more contextual, with the ability to choose the search area and filter search results. But I understand what you mean and I also understand why Lemmy maintainers made that design decision. However, I believe that cutting off such a large part of the fediverse is not the best.

I want /kbin to be simple and modular because I want to give people a choice in how it looks. Ultimately, it can be a page like it is now, or just a link/article aggregator, or bloggin platform, or an events browser, or streams browser. I want /kbin to be a window into the fediverse. The person who encounters the fediverse for the first time on /kbin will have the opportunity to explore the entire rich ecosystem, and over time may want to move on to more dedicated solutions, which is cool.

Combining a link aggregator and microblog is not my original idea. In addition to Reddit, I drew inspiration from two Polish social portals:

  • Strims - probably the closest to /kbin - collapsed several years ago due to the owner's misguided decisions. One of them was to delete the microblog section against the will of the community. Decentralization is supposed to solve this problem.
  • Wykop - one of the most popular social portals in Poland with a huge user base. Unfortunately, this year a new version was released that is slowly killing the service. In addition, it is sponsored by political parties, which especially now, just before the elections, makes it unusable for me. Despite having an account there for 15 years and a lot of sentiment, I have recently almost stopped visiting it. Decentralization is supposed to solve this problem.

We gotta give people an incentive to produce thoughtful content. I'd recommend integrating with LBRY

I'll take a closer look at LBRY because I've only heard a little bit about it so far. Personally, I'm a supporter of free and open knowledge on the internet for everyone. I'm also very cautious when it comes to cryptocurrencies. But I also don't like to limit myself, I like to draw inspiration from everywhere :) However, I'm keeping an eye on various projects, and lately I'm interested in , where there are some super interesting things going on. Previously, Kbin had the option to receive Cardano donations for content, without external intermediaries, but it turned out to be too complicated and confusing for people at that time (https://streamable.com/hdr4f0).

Nevertheless, I know someone who understands this area much better than I do, and we've discussed it before @fervi.
Running a project alone isn't easy, and one of the things I would do differently is to send an email to Nlnet earlier. Maybe it's really worth presenting this vision now.

I want to focus on developing the core, as it will be the foundation for building other things, but I would be happy to help with integrations.

I assume it doesn't matter, it seems like a solo mission

I hope that I\ll only be alone for a while :) A large and important part of the Fediverse is based on PHP (Pixelfed, Friendica, WriteFreely, etc.). But you're right, it doesn't matter. If /kbin can help in any way or at least brighten the day of one person, I'm all in for it :) Currently, I want to keep an eye on the bigger picture and not get distracted from the main goal. This is additionally difficult for me because I'm not even a native speaker and I have to be very careful not to be misunderstood or inadvertently offend anyone in any way.

To be honest, it's my little obsession hahah. It started back then (http://web.archive.org/web/20180203151128/https://makigi.pl/), but I didn't have enough skills to develop such a big project. So I decided to quit my job and knock on the door of the first professional-looking IT company in the area. I asked for a free internship, I wanted to see how certain things are done and get answers to some of my questions. I met such cool people there that I stayed for a few years more than I planned ;p That led me here.

I'm an average developer, but believe me, I'm fricking stubborn.

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