thoughtpunks

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago

@chrisamaphone @edutooters @RuthFlaherty

The rule is not the principle. A rule has no meaning on its own. Interpreting rules requires addressing their context.

The rule here is merely the most common expression of its principle. Hospitality, or respect for a demesne, is most often honored through a simple invitation [which traditionally doesn't even need to be a literal invitation; just opening the door was sufficient]. However, permission of the land's lord or authorities equally satisfies.

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago

@RuthFlaherty @edutooters

Rules can be rather misleading or even meaningless taken in themselves. Without their social context and knowledge of their underlying principles, many questions are impossible to answer. Including this one.

At hand is not merely a rule about invitations. It is the common expression of a mystical prohibition enforcing a degree of respect for hospitality and demesne.

Also notable is that the requirement of a warrant is itself is honoring those principles.

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago

@NudelnAlDente @RuthFlaherty @edutooters

On the social > linguistic side, symbolic acts of invitation [opening the door, lighting an entrance in late hours, etc] were sufficient in the earliest accounts of the rule.

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

@RuthFlaherty @edutooters

On another note about context, all homeowner lease the share of the commons their property resides upon from the state.

If they fail to pay their lease [property/land taxes], they forfeit their residency, as well as the improvements and fixed property on the land.

Whatever enforcing agents the state authorizes to enter has an invitation. With a warrant, a far more formal and explicit of an invitation than normatively required.

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

@NudelnAlDente @RuthFlaherty @edutooters

Oh! That's an interesting thought. What about:
Cities/big burbs and rural towns work very differently because of the different social expectations!

And even town to town could vary! One small town, the unlocked doors are classic trust and mind-your-business mores. [Prohibition firm.] In another, it's the old fashioned open door vibe where everyone comes and goes from everyone's, walking right in and saying "Hey, Bob! You home?" [Prohibition absent.]

thoughtpunks, 10 months ago

@RuthFlaherty @edutooters

Random interesting tangent to consider:
Would "no trespass" signs prohibit entry to land? How would exceptions like right of way and right to roam interact?

Another thing to consider:
Most of us are assuming the ruling law or social mores hold enforcement power for the condition. What if it is instead based on the vampire's original culture or that of the curse's source?