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douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
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I mean to contribute distributed resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones. Assuming Lemmy has a protocol for distributed resources built on something like the raft consensus algorithm.

I’m mobile ATM, so not at home, trying to learn as I go. The goal being by the time I’m home I’ll know enough to provision resources if such a concept is a thing.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to contribute distributed resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones. Assuming Lemmy has a protocol for distributed resources built on something like the raft consensus algorithm.

I’m mobile ATM, so not at home, trying to learn as I go. The goal being by the time I’m home I’ll know enough to provision resources if such a concept is a thing.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to contribute distributed resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones. Assuming Lemmy has or is using an existing protocol for distributed resources, such as the raft consensus algorithm.

I’m mobile ATM, so not at home, trying to learn as I go. The goal being by the time I’m home I’ll know enough to provision resources if such a concept is a thing.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to contribute distributed resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones. Assuming Lemmy has or is using an existing protocol for distributed resources, such as the raft consensus algorithm.

I’m mobile ATM, so not at home, trying to learn as I go. The goal being by the time I’m home I’ll know enough to provision resources if such a concept is a thing.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to contribute distributed resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones.

I’m mobile ATM, so not at home, trying to learn as I go. The goal being by the time I’m home I’ll know enough to provision resources if such a concept is a thing.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to contribute resources to existing instances. Not so much make new ones.

I’m mobile ATM, so I’m not at home, so trying to learn as I go.

I have a whole cluster at home with business internet, so plenty of ready to go resources 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

My tone is such that it addresses the nativity of posts like this. Especially when said nativity pushed for potentially counterproductive or harmful mindsets that prevent real solutions from being discovered.

Nativity must be addressed if hard problems are to be solved. It’s a baseline.

A small slice of users are going to understand broader technological, community, funding, and survivability nuances. As such these should be explained so we’re not simply hand waving necessary complexity away. Encouraging deeper discussion from others who would otherwise pass posts like these up because of the low quality.

It’s the difference between talking about niceties, vs actually working towards solutions. These are hard problems, and should be recognized as hard otherwise they go unsolved.

The more readers know about the rest of the iceberg the better. The more knowledgeable folks you attract to a discussion by encouraging critical thinking the better.

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

My tone is such that it addresses the nativity of posts like this. Especially when said nativity pushed for potentially counterproductive or harmful mindsets that prevent real solutions from being discovered.

Nativity must be addressed if hard problems are to be solved. It’s a baseline.

A small slice of users are going to understand broader technological, community, funding, and survivability nuances. As such these should be explained so we’re not simply hand waving necessary complexity away. Encouraging deeper discussion from others who would otherwise pass posts like these up because of the low quality.

It’s the difference between talking about niceties, vs actually working towards solutions. These are hard problems, and should be recognized as hard otherwise they go unsolved.

The more readers know about the rest of the iceberg the better. The more knowledgeable folks you attract to a discussion by encouraging critical thinking the better.

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
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Someone else mentioned a problem with the donation model, which is that large popular instances will likely have an overabundance of funding while less popular ones won't and will eventually shut down.

Over time this pushes towards a small number of large instances, defeating the purpose of federated social media.

A foundation that distributes funding across a sector of instances may help, but comes with it's own problems 🤔

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
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Can we?

For real, can we assist with hosting using our own servers as distributed nodes? I have business fiber and plenty of dedicated compute just hanging around. I'd happily host nodes to assist with stability, redundancy, and general compute/networking.

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
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I agree to a point, but this is also how you get communities that are REALLY easy to squash. Because they're fragile and incoherent. Bad actors can easily overwhelm them, astroturf, go after hosting....etc and small self funded communities won't have the manpower, tools, or resources to combat it.

You want to build a strong community that lasts, and is resilient.

So how do we make our communities more resilient, less fragmented, and also accessable for member growth?

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Unsure how distributed federated services prevents the reddit downfall, aside from corporate greed. Which can also be solved through legally binding agreements/foundation-controlled companies. Among many other solutions that can avoid funding, stability, and consistency issued federated services have and will continue to have.

It's all a tradeoff. To tradeoff corporate greed you now have community fragmentation and fragility risks as any instance can be taken down whenever, and any unhappy user that created communities can solely kill them off (As stated by some users threatening to do so in another thread).

What you should be talking about is how do you mitigate these tradeoffs. What should others do to make the fediverse more successful? If you want it to be successful than talking about these hard problems in a semi-flenal way is required.

#2 sounds good to say, but barely works in practice when you're talking about infrastructure costs in the tens of millions of $ per year for something at scale...

Essentially saying nice things that don't effectively translate into reality doesn't solve problems. It just perpetuates a lack of critical thinking.

douglasg14b, to redditwasfun in How to avoid the Reddit downfall
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Unsure how distributed federated services prevents the reddit downfall, aside from corporate greed. Which can also be solved through legally binding agreements/foundation-controlled companies. Among many other solutions.

It's all a tradeoff. To tradeoff corporate greed you now have community fragmentation and fragility risks as any instance can be taken down whenever, and any unhappy user that created communities can solely kill them off (As stated by some users threatening to do so in another thread)

#2 sounds good to say, but barely works in practice when you're talking about infrastructure costs in the tens of millions of $ per year for something at scale...

Essentially saying nice things that don't effectively translate into reality doesn't solve problems. It just perpetuates a lack of critical thinking.

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