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Evinceo,

LW writing converges on Deathnote fanfic.

Evinceo,

As opposed to normalizing it by talking about it all the god damned time, for example by using it in your thought experiments instead of literally any other criminal compulsion.

Evinceo,

You mean awful systems (this server? or SSC (the linked sub)?

This is a good primer on the linked sub.

This community is here to share amusement/horror at that community and their associated techno-utopian corpo-cults.

This source of popcorn/dread recently went fairly mainstream with FTX’s implosion and OpenAI’s near-implosion.

Evinceo,

Isn’t that a mangled L Ron Hubbard quote?

Evinceo,

So what’s the deal with Oxford? I know exactly what’s up with Stanford from Palo Alto but anyone have a good explainer on why Oxford is like this?

Evinceo,

What a major coinkeydink that the same discussion is happening on a totally unrelated and unaffiliated forum. 🙄

Evinceo,

I cannot wade through this, so I’m just scrolling around aimlessly.

About 10% of the time was doing laundry, groceries, packing, and cooking - and she has to do many of those things for herself anyways! At least this is on paid time, feels high impact, and means she’s not sitting in front of the computer all day.

Feels high impact wtf.

“First they came for one EA leader, and I did not speak out – because I just wanted to focus on making AI go well.

Then they came for another, and I did not speak out – because surely these are just the aftershocks of FTX, it will blow over.

Then they came for another, and I still did not speak out – because I was afraid for my reputation if they came after me.

Then they came for me - and I have no reputation to protect anymore.”

How very tasteful, a Niemöller snowclone Godwin. Truly people who party on the beach for charity and have hot tub meetings are the most oppressed.

Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.

What an insane way to talk about a former employee, much less one living with you. Pro tip for real businesses: never do this. If you’re going to disparage someone like this, it’s a job for your lawyer and he’d better have receipts. Also don’t live with your employees and let them take acid on the job.

Evinceo,

Also this:

Have you ever made a social gaff? Does the idea of somebody exclusively looking for and publishing negative things about you make you feel uneasy? Terrified?

(spooky hands)

I actually played this game with some of my friends to see how easy it was. I tried to say only true things but in a way that made them look like villains. It was terrifyingly easy. Even for one of my oldest friends, who is one of the more universally-liked EAs, I could make him sound like a terrifying creep.

📸 🤨

I could do this for any EA org. I know of so many conflicts in EA that if somebody pulled a Ben Pace on, it would explode in a similar fashion.

🤔

Evinceo,

I wish you were joking but they literally say this in the post:

At that hourly rate, he spent perhaps ~$130,000 of Lightcone donors’ money on [investigating us]. But it’s more than that. When you factor in our time, plus hundreds/thousands of comments across all the posts, it’s plausible Ben’s negligence cost EA millions of dollars of lost productivity. If his accusations were true, that could have potentially been a worthwhile use of time - it’s just that they aren’t, and so that productivity is actually destroyed. […]

Even if it was just $1 million, that wipes out the yearly contribution of 200 hardworking earn-to-givers who sacrificed, scrimped and saved to donate $5,000 this year.

Evinceo,

It almost reads as a threat… ‘don’t stop our gravy train, or we’ll lash out and reveal what we know!’

Evinceo,

Think of how many souls could have been saved if you didn’t waste the church’s time investigating all those abusive priests! Truly the investigators are sinners on a staggering scale!

Evinceo,

Do they address the allegation that Drew was sleeping with Alice and Kat was harassing her about it? That was the most damning allegation in the original wasn’t it?

Evinceo,

This is a 60 minute post. Nobody proofread this. They’re hoping few people will read the whole thing, and they’re probably right.

Evinceo,

Fooling EAs is a lot easier and less risky than fooling the IRS.

Evinceo,

Whenever I see that they’re updating their opinions I imagine that’s where the micro dosing comes in.

Evinceo,

Ok, I’ve spent way too much time on this, but read the “Sharing Information on Ben Pace” section. As some of the comments point out, it could be written about Kat’s own reaction to the earlier article.

Evinceo,

I’ll remember that next time a TREACLES tires to explain how something that totally discredits rationalists has nothing to do with EA.

Evinceo,

[Request]: Use “Breeding humans like livestock” instead of “Eugenics” in most circumstances.

Evinceo,

5, is the implication is that the OP thinks anti-incest laws are eugenics and therefore bad and therefore should be abolished???

I think they’re saying that actually everyone loves Eugenics they just don’t know it yet.

Evinceo,

nitter.net/dril/status/831805955402776576

Evinceo,

It’s an alarmingly common occurrence in real life, so I don’t think it should be surprising that it’s also something people fantasize about.

Evinceo,

I like that instead of a study to back up their project, they have… one guy! Who tried it a month ago!

Evinceo,

Chewing gum fans may want a word.

Evinceo,

Literally BioShock.

Evinceo,

(Teeth shine audibly)

Evinceo,

I lol’d at:

What are they doing with all that money?

¯*(ツ)*/¯

Evinceo,

No way his OpenAI position ends up on his resume.

Evinceo,

This is gonna be really helpful next time someone tells me straight up that EA and Rationalist are totally different things and just overlap by coincidence.

Evinceo,

I spent way too much time arguing that NYT didn’t dox Slatescott.

Evinceo,

Getting Gebru in there would be fucking hilarious, I can’t believe Wired asked her. Not loving that they’re conflating her with EAs though.

If you want to annoy an AI doomer ask why they don’t support Gebru.

Effective Obfuscation (newsletter.mollywhite.net)

Molly White is best known for shining a light on the silliness and fraud that are cryptocurrency, blockchain and Web3. This essay may be a sign that she’s shifting her focus to our sneerworthy friends in the extended rationalism universe. If so, that’s an excellent development. Molly’s great.

Evinceo,

Crypto is going to dry up as a beat eventually, so I’m glad she’s laying the groundwork for a next move.

Evinceo,

some of them are so afraid of paperclip generators while they don’t realize that they themselves can easily be made to believe horrible things if you just back it up with enough stats, papers and contrarian blog posts.

I think that’s why they’re so afraid of them. They think that paperclip optimizer is the default outcome for an intelligence because it’s the outcome they’re pushing themselves towards.

Evinceo,

I just can’t imagine the board saying he lied to them unless they have some way to back it up. If they made that up couldn’t they be on the wrong end of a wrongful termination lawsuit?

Evinceo,

Glimmer of self awareness? Someone should write a paper…

Evinceo,

Men will literally devote their lives to becoming scifi Cassandra instead of going to therapy.

Evinceo,

Please forgive me if I fail to address it in a sufficiently sensitive way, and know that this was not my intention. There is, of course, so much more to say about this, but I wanted to try and keep the post relatively short.

(Proceeds to write 5000 word insensitive essay anyway)

Evinceo,

Why are so many people who aren’t actually employed doing stem things stem chauvinists?

Evinceo,

Counting calories and abiding by your commitment to eat fewer of them is hard, hard enough that while it worked for me I can’t just recommend it to everyone. Like yeah no shit eat less food. It’s really hard to admit that there are limits to what people can do with willpower alone, especially if you live in a subculture where you think that being galaxy brained should allow you to do literally anything. There must be some reason, any reason, besides people not being fully 1000% in control of their actions.

Evinceo,

This schism is heating up. Pretty funny, Yudkowsky has created a monster he couldn’t control, just like he imagined… only the monster is AI fandom.

Evinceo,

What’s his proposed mechanism for it to suddenly start deriving all of biology from first principles?

He considers deriving stuff from first principles much more versatile than it actually is. That and he really believes in the possibility of using simulations for anything.

Evinceo,

I’m glad you mention Zvi’s piece, it feels like the real insider take on SBF.

Evinceo,

Somehow more confused people are stumbling into awful.systems than ever stumbled into sneerclub.

Evinceo,

While I love blaming slatescott for things, I do think there’s maybe a deeper story to the fascination with addies than slatescott blogging about it once.

A lot of millennials were prescribed stimulants as kids, enough that we have some level of folk knowledge about them. In Adderall Risks he more or less admits to handing them out like candy and he is far from the only (lol ex) psychiatrist to do so.

The article, while clearly endorsing stimulants as a safe nootrooic that everyone should take (and is good for the world now let me munch a few more pills 💊), is actually more of an apologia to convince people who are already using stimulants that no harm will come to them. Sure there’s the usual amount of discovering an apple pie from scratch new atheist libertarian bloviating that obscures it, but he does that about everything.*

One funny aspect of his ‘stimulants are required for modern work’ argument is that he’s basically endorsing the social model of disability, though more recently he has decided that expressing ableism to own the libs is more important than being correct.

*Except if he wants to sneak in an idea without you thinking about it. Those will usually be the hardcore nrx ones.

Evinceo,

How can these imaginary conversations be so long. I ain’t reading all that. Congratulations, or sorry that that happened.

Evinceo,

This reads like a PCJ comment, bravo. I’ll do one for rust:

If an LLM cannot insult the user for having the tremerity to try and compile code, it’s not compatible for use with the Rust compiler.

Evinceo,

PCJ -> Programming Circlejerk.

I was wasn’t expecting a serious treatment of this very silly idea, my mistake. I submit that it would cause enough difficult to diagnose bugs while just messing with it that you would never get into ‘but are the builds reproducible’ territory.

Evinceo,

I can’t imagine the peer pressure dynamics in such a dating environment to be too healthy.

No imagination required.

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