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Even_Adder, to privacyguides in OpenAI finally admitted they're crawling the web to profit off of GPT. Block it from your sites using robots.txt.

Original analysis of public data is not stealing. If it were stealing to do so, it would gut fair use, and hand corporations a monopoly of a public technology. They already have their own datasets, and the money to buy licenses for more. Regular consumers, who could have had access to a corporate-independent tool for creativity and social mobility, would instead be left worse off with fewer rights than where they started.

Even_Adder, to technology in Google says AI systems should be able to mine publishers’ work unless companies opt out, turning copyright law on its head

You should read this.

Even_Adder, to reddit in Sound Off: How many 10+ year redditors have left the site?

I had been there since 2010, I didn’t even think twice about leaving.

Even_Adder, to PCGaming in Tekken director busts into seemingly illegitimate stream, threatens to 'SHOW my power' with a lifetime ban, then realises the dude's innocent

What an ass.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

The end bit, that AI created works aren’t copyrightable, is already settled. However, any work a human does to tweak or select AI generated content, if it is itself creative, is copyrightable.

AI created works are copyrightable and guidance from the U.S. Copyright Office isn’t law, so it’s also not settled. Guidance reflects only the office’s interpretation based on its experience, it isn’t binding in the courts or other parties. Guidance from the office is not a substitute for legal advice, and it does not create any rights or obligations for anyone.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

I’m glad we agree.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

Humans using the machines have always been the copyright holders of any qualifying work they create.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

So you could go take the images out of the comic book and reuse them because they are not copyrighted.

You’re begging the question by assuming such content hasn’t been modified and could be taken in the first place. How would you know the content you’re eyeing is usable without violating any rights or laws?

Copyright law is one big “It depends” making sweeping statements like made and the headline of the article you linked are oversimplifying the issue and presenting a false dichotomy of a much more nuanced issue. The Reuters article I linked presents much less biased coverage that doesn’t gloss over important facts.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

There are AI works every day that fit that description. The art in question in the comic book case was not modified and could be taken from the page and used somewhere else with the exception of the words.

Where does the article you linked it say this?

In other cases, however, a work containing AI-generated material will also contain sufficient human authorship to support a copyright claim. For example, a human may select or arrange AI-generated material in a sufficiently creative way that “the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.

The registrar does say this though.

You are arguing in bad faith by implying that my intent is to spread doubt through misinformation. Don’t assume things like that. You have no clue of my intentions.

I’m not trying to “spread doubt”. I’m simply giving the information as is. If you want to have a conversation about the facts, let me know. If you are here to argue in bad faith then I can’t help you.

I’m not accusing you of arguing in bad faith or intentionally spreading information, I’m letting you know that you’re repeating the talking points of those who do.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

In other cases, however, a work containing AI-generated material will also contain sufficient human authorship to support a copyright claim. For example, a human may select or arrange AI-generated material in a sufficiently creative way that “the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.” Or an artist may modify material originally generated by AI technology to such a degree that the modifications meet the standard for copyright protection. In these cases, copyright will only protect the human-authored aspects of the work, which are “independent of” and do “not affect” the copyright status of the AI-generated material itself.

So this means work generated by AI is not copyrightable. The work generated by human touch is. federalregister.gov/…/copyright-registration-guid… which is the original source of your post.

There are no AI works that fit this description though. When most people think of AI works they’re thinking of the former, not the latter. So saying “Right now, AI-generated works aren’t copyrightable.” without making the distinction is misinformation designed to spread doubt.

Even_Adder, to technology in Copyright and why it's broken. - Tom Scott

This is misinformation. You can copyright AI works.

Even_Adder, to technology in Google, Microsoft, OpenAI and startup form body to regulate AI development

That’s what we have to assume.

Even_Adder, to technology in Who here is messing with FOSS AI? What ya playing with?

Stable Diffusion and Musicgen.

Even_Adder, to technology in Sarah Silverman and other authors are suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement, alleging that they're training their LLMs on books via Library Genesis and Z-Library

Human writing and LLM output can be creative, original, informative, or useful, depending on the context and purpose. It is a tool to be used by humans, we are in control of the input and the output. What we say goes, no one ever has to see LLM output without people making those decisions. Restricting LLMs is restricting the people that use them. Mega-corporations will have their own models, no matter the price. What we say and do here will only affect our ability to catch up and stay competitive.

You also seem to be arguing a slippery slope argument, by implying that if LLMs are allowed to use copyrighted books as data, it will lead to negative consequences for creators and society, without explaining how or why this will happen, or providing any evidence. It’s a one-sided look at the issue that ignores the positive outcomes from LLMs, like increasing accessibility, diversity, and quality of literature and thought. As well as inspiring new forms of expression and creativity.

Finally, you seem to be making a moralistic fallacy. You claim that there is a perfectly reasonable way of doing this ethically, by using content that people have provided. However, you don’t support this claim, or address its challenges. How would you ensure that the content providers are the original authors or have the rights to the content? How would you compensate them for their contribution? Is this a good way to get content that is diverse and representative of different perspectives and cultures? What about bias or manipulation in the data collection and processing?

I don’t think we need any more expansions to copyright, but a better understanding of LLMs’ capabilities and responsibilities. I think we need to be open-minded and critical about the potential and challenges of LLMs, but also be on guard against fallacious arguments or emotional appeals.

Even_Adder, to technology in Sarah Silverman and other authors are suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement, alleging that they're training their LLMs on books via Library Genesis and Z-Library

You’re making a hasty generalization here, namely by making sweeping claims without evidence or examples. Also, you’re begging the question by assuming that humans are more original than LLMs, again without providing any support or justification.

Take for example this study that found doctors prefered Med-paLM’s output to human doctor’s. If Everything is a remix, there’s no reason LLMs can’t meet the minimum criteria for creativity, especially absent any evidence to the contrary.

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