MegaMichelle, to random
@MegaMichelle@a2mi.social avatar

has a lot of the same characteristics as email. But in email, the duties of each part of the process are split up, and you can mix-and-match software. Fediverse software is more tightly coupled than that.

SMTP is like the ActivityPub server-to-server protocol. Like in email with sendmail/exim/postfix/etc, you could have a program that does just this.

IMAP is like the server-to-client protocol. Like in email, with courier/dovecot/etc, you could have a program that does just this.

MegaMichelle,
@MegaMichelle@a2mi.social avatar

One thing the fediverse DOES have is multiple client programs. Like with Thunderbird/Roundcube/K-9 Mail, you can use a few different fediverse client apps, or even a couple that run on the web, like what's that one, Elk?

But a bunch of them, the "user-agents" are tied to the backend. Like, you can't use Mastodon's client with a Firefish server. I think it'd be better for the ecosystem if the clients were split from the servers, and the servers were split into S2S and S2C.

ramin_hal9001, to random
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David Pierce of

It is nice he thinks ActivityPub is the Internet of the future, calling it "the post-platform" world in which journalists, individuals, organizations all run their own ActivityPub services rather than create accounts on platforms like Ex-Twitter or Facebook. But his perspective is still limited to a world where all applications run on the HTTP protocol with DNS identifying services. He talks about the "Post On (your) Own (host), Syndicate Everywhere" (POSSE) model, and how organizations and individuals can deploy Mastodon instances on their own servers. They also interviewed @pluralistic (Cory Doctorow) which was nice.

They really should have interviewed the @spritelyinst folks to see the real Internet of the future, in which HTTP is replaced with the Object Capability Network (OCapN). But to be fair, this tech is still pretty new and maybe not yet to the point where tech journalists at The Verge would be interested in doing articles about it.

RyunoKi,
@RyunoKi@layer8.space avatar

@ramin_hal9001

I agree. While interesting I don't think it's primetime for @spritelyinst just yet.

Even more so that advertising it now could have detrimental effects.

I pointed the author to Webmentions. Encouraging taking the control of one's content.

Let's see whether the subject is picked up.

Talking to folks like @interpeer made me realise that an Internet without DNS is possible. Something that didn't cross my mind.

@pluralistic

ramin_hal9001,
@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch avatar

@spritelyinst @interpeer @pluralistic

> "Talking to folks like @interpeer made me realise that an Internet without DNS is possible. Something that didn't cross my mind."

@RyunoKi thanks for pointing me to @interpeer . I am very interested in all of these up-and-coming technologies.

julian, to random
@julian@fietkau.social avatar

For this weekend's coding project, I built a tiny single-user Bluesky→ActivityPub one-way bridge I named “Pinhole”. If there's someone on Bluesky whose posts you want in your Mastodon feed, you can download and run it yourself: :fietkau_software: https://fietkau.software/pinhole

Caveats: 1. I intentionally built it anti-scalable: you can use it to follow one Bluesky account from one fedi account, and that's it. 2. You need experience with web servers.

mammoth, to random
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doomsdayrs, to random
@doomsdayrs@mastodon.ml avatar

Bit bit bit, writing new software, now for s

J12t, to random
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Very much agreeing with @evan here on the strategy for and related.

https://evanp.me/2023/10/06/activitypub-the-socialcg-and-the-social-web/

bjoern, to random
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"We get exponential growth based on having one protocol, not a half dozen. [..] standards aren’t about competition. They’re about cooperation".

Great article by @evanprodromou . I completely agree, #ActivityPub has to win if we want to have a great social web. Don't get seduced by the shiny marketing of the next VC driven social network (protocol).

https://evanp.me/2023/10/06/activitypub-the-socialcg-and-the-social-web/

joewood, to random
@joewood@writing.exchange avatar

"Capitalism is Dead - Long Live Technofeudalism" - there's a lot think about in this:
https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-technofeudalism/

Is the Fediverse the start of taking back ownership of the platform? Do we need an ActivityPub for ecommerce, streaming, news articles? What else?

thomas, to random
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This tool lets me monitor the federation traffic from/to my Mastodon instance metalhead.club.

You can clearly see the other server locations - mainly in the US and Europe.

The tool is not ready for the public, but once it's finished and stable, I'll let you know :)

Video is showing a 3D globe in a web browser. Colorful arcs across cities in the globe show active ActivityPub connections.

Kitty,
@Kitty@metalhead.club avatar

@thomas That's so cool!

Luettdeern,
@Luettdeern@firefish.community avatar

@thomas

Moin, sieht ja fast aus wie .eu 😉

J12t, to activitypubtestsuite
@J12t@social.coop avatar

If you could test just 10 things in the Fediverse on an ongoing basis, what would you test? What's most urgent?

What if you could test 100 things?

(For the non-geeks among us: this is a technical geek / protocol / standards conformance / interoperability question)

@activitypubtestsuite #testing #activitypub

mikedev,

In a nutshell, we just return an array of delivery reports in addition to an http status. For sites that don't support delivery reports, we manufacture a report holding the http status, and if there are queue retrys, we collect the associated curl logs into a linked queue summary.

https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/src/branch/dev/spec/Nomad/Messages.md

by_caballero,
@by_caballero@mastodon.social avatar

@blake @J12t @philip @activitypubtestsuite yes, no, and "an attempt was made"

devs, to random
@devs@fastly.social avatar

🤔 Did you know there’s a W3C Social Web Community Group? @haubles interviewed their latest member in this sit-down with enthusiast @casey.

https://dev.to/fastly/community-spotlight-casey-kolderup-creator-of-postmarks-has-joined-the-w3cs-social-web-community-group-bf8

evan, to random
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

is the default social networking protocol because we took the time to standardise it at the W3C.

You don't have to be part of the W3C to build on top of ActivityPub. You can make extensions and new applications without ever dealing with a formalised standards organisation.

But the benefit of having the W3C behind us is crystal clear. There have been dozens of distributed social networks, and none has gotten as much traction as AP and AS2.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

There are some folks who want a faster-moving, constantly-updated AP and AS2 docs.

We have a great process for making new extensions and applications of AP and AS2. It moves fast and is really loose:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

And you can do this kind of development outside of the FEP process, too.

AP and AS2 need to move slow and stable so everyone can build on them. Extensions can be fast and wild, because that's where new things happen.

steve, to random
@steve@social.technoetic.com avatar

Other than "Linked Data Event Streams", does anybody know of applications using Activity Streams 2.0 without #ActivityPub?

mburr, to random
@mburr@stranger.social avatar

Does the have a federated answer to any of the following?

  • Signatures for my outgoing messages? (outside of the post's text itself)
  • Real-time group chat (discord)
  • Video "hangouts" (zoom, skype ...hangouts [google])
  • Privacy (signal, telegram)
  • or anything that's in use

It looks like "youtube" is covered already, but any about that is appreciated. The knowledge about what's best or hot at any time is also federated 😕

dannekrose, to random

Sharing some or projects you might not have heard about.

  1. Inventaire.io https://inventaire.io/welcome - Manage your physical books or other items (board games perhaps) and keep track of who has what when lending or borrowing items. ActivityPub enabled.
  2. Thedesk.top - A bit overwhelmingly full-featured alternative UI to Mastodon/Firefish/Misskey/*key forks. Some aspects may be very confusing but for some, the workflow and customization it provides are powerful.
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