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usernamesAreTricky,

The article talks alao about how it’s logically difficult yes, but also how there is zero requirement or incentive to even try when it’s possible and a profit incentive not not

usernamesAreTricky,

Isn’t animal agriculture so fun? Always some neat new horrors you couldn’t even come up with

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Keep in mind here they are also specifically feeding diseased and infected dead pig

usernamesAreTricky,

Ethiopian cuisine has a lot of dishes that are traditionally 100% plant-based and really good:

For instance, stuff like Kik Alicha (a sort of split pea stew) to things that are more like a stir-fry on top of injera bread. Here’s one website talking about some of the various stuff though you can probably find more just from googling

Outside of Ethiopian cuisine, I also really like Koshary, which is an Egyptian street food with lentils, chickpeas, elbow macaroni, rice, crispy onions, and tomato sauce. Admittedly Koshary is a bit of work to prepare compared to most other dishes, but it’s really good.

There’s also stuff like falafel and hummus that are more widely known about in the West and plenty good too. There’s plenty more I missing because this comment is getting too long. Looking up “traditionally vegan dishes in [random country]” will give you a lot of good recipes you’d never have known about

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The stats touted around seaweed and other feed adatives are highly misleading. Even looking at the highest touted claims you only get an 8% reduction of overall emissions. The high numbers you see are only reporting the feedlot reductions which aren’t where the majority of the missions come from

What’s more, feeding cattle algae is really only practical where it’s least needed: on feedlots. This is where most cattle are crowded in the final months of their 1.5- to 2-year lives to rapidly put on weight before slaughter. There, algae feed additives can be churned into the cows’ grain and soy feed. But on feedlots, cattle already belch less methane—only 11 percent of their lifetime output

[…]

Unfortunately, adding the algae to diets on the pasture, where it’s most needed, isn’t a feasible option either. Out on grazing lands, it’s difficult to get cows to eat additives because they don’t like the taste of red algae unless it’s diluted into feed. And even if we did find ways to sneak algae in somehow, there’s a good chance their gut microbes would adapt and adjust, bringing their belches’ methane right back to high levels.

[…] All told, if we accept the most promising claims of the algae boosters, we’re talking about an 80 percent reduction of methane among only 11 percent of all burps—roughly an 8.8 percent reduction total

www.wired.com/story/carbon-neutral-cows-algae/

usernamesAreTricky,

That’d still be quite high in emissions. Land deforestation and the massive amounts of feed are large portions of emissions for meat and dairy products. It takes far more feed than it does to eat crops directly due to the energy loss from creatures using that energy to move around, on their body functions, etc.

The practices somewhat similar to what’s suggested there work out too well in practice. Manure lagoons, where waste is stored in huge pools to break down, have several environmental problems

Rates of asthma in children living near a CAFO are consistently elevated.[4] The process of anaerobic digestion has been shown to release over 400 volatile compounds from lagoons.[13] The most prevalent of these are: ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, methane, and carbon dioxide

[…]

Contaminants that are water-soluble can escape from anaerobic lagoons and enter the environment through leakage from badly constructed or poorly maintained manure lagoons as well as during excess rain or high winds, resulting in an overflow of lagoons.[2] These leaks and overflows can contaminate surrounding surface and ground water with some hazardous materials which are contained in the lagoon.[2] The most serious of these contaminants are pathogens, antibiotics, heavy metals and hormones. For example, runoff from farms in Maryland and North Carolina are a leading candidate for Pfiesteria piscicida. This contaminant has the ability to kill fish, and it can also cause skin irritation and short term memory loss in humans[20]

[…]

Antibiotics are fed to livestock to prevent disease and to increase weight and development, so that there is a shortened time from birth to slaughter. However, because these antibiotics are administered at sub-therapeutic levels, bacterial colonies can build up resistance to the drugs through the natural selection of bacteria resistant to these antibiotics. These antibiotic-resistant bacteria are then excreted and transferred to the lagoons, where they can infect humans and other animals.[13]

Each year, 24.6 million pounds of antimicrobials are administered to livestock for non-therapeutic purposes.[23] Seventy percent of all antibiotics and related drugs are given to animals as feed additives.[4] Nearly half of the antibiotics used are nearly identical to ones given to humans. There is strong evidence that the use of antibiotics in animal feed is contributing to an increase in antibiotic-resistant microbes and causing antibiotics to be less effective for humans.[4] Due to concerns over antibiotic-resistant bacteria, the American Medical Association passed a resolution stating its opposition to the use of sub-therapeutic levels of antimicrobials in livestock.[13]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_lagoon#Environmen…

usernamesAreTricky,

I’d hope it’d be things relating to our treatment of non-human animals. There’s a pretty good talk making that case (not so much in terms of jokes, but in general)

youtu.be/N6w3A7E1Hw8

usernamesAreTricky,

Not quite like that but there is a thing called live patching that some distros offer. It’s mainly to used fix security issues rather than a typical update

Ubuntu livepatching and kpatch are some different tools out there for that if you want to look into it

usernamesAreTricky,

Click and hold on the link and you’ll get those options on Jebra if it’s in a comment (unfortunately doesn’t seem to work on post links usually)

usernamesAreTricky,

This study looks at the effects more so of replacing red meat with plant-based foods, not so much the effects of replacing it with chicken which is what the per capita consumption changes so more there

There are of course a number of other factors indeed that influence diabetes, yes

usernamesAreTricky,

Their comment is missing the point. It essentially boils down to “the current infrastructure is bad” which is entirely what people advocating for less car centric design have been saying for a long time, but instead of using that as a reason to advocate for better they’re using it as a reason not to do anything

usernamesAreTricky, (edited )

That’s changing the subject again. I was saying the commentor was effectively advocating for doing nothing because current infrastructure is poor.

It’s worth noting that car centric infrastructure is extremely expensive as well and requires constant upkeep. Bike infrastructure can often be made incrementally by simplying just requiring new/updated road to have bike lanes for instance

That is part of how the Netherlands got really good bike infrastructure and how a number of cities are getting better at it

EDIT: I should also mention that the car centric deisgn of many suburbs in particular is a large contributer to why they don’t have much money to begin with. The upkeep costs start to pile up and make the regions net negative for the local government’s income

The more a place is car centric, the higher these costs for upkeep will be (more traffic causing more damage in more places)

usernamesAreTricky, (edited )

For the first part, yes that will vary place to place. That’s why I said “often”, but it’s a viable method in quite a large number of locations. Especially in those which are currently some of the worst places for walkabilty/biking/public transit at the moment. Places with narrow streets are generally speaking more walkable to begin with. There are still other ways to make improvements anyhow

For the second, I am also talking about the quantity of roads (the more places part). More car centric places are going to have more roads to maintain in general.

But it’s still worth mentioning that car centric design can still can lead to trucks being used in places where there are viable transportation methods like trains (this applies more so for longer distances than just delivery to houses but a number of cities do have highways that run through them).

usernamesAreTricky,

It’s worth noting that in countries like US, it’s really only things like beyond burgers and impossible meat that cost more. It doesn’t require eating those for a plant-based diet nor are people typically eating those every meal, is why plant-based diets generally have lower costs

Compared to meat eaters, results show that “true” vegetarians do indeed report lower food expenditures

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0921800915301488?via%3Di…

It found that in high-income countries:

• Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.

• Vegetarian diets were a close second.

• Flexitarian diets with low amounts of meat and dairy reduced costs by 14%.

• By contrast, pescatarian diets increased costs by up to 2%.

ox.ac.uk/…/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-…

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Americans earning less than $30,000 annually are more likely to identify as vegetarian. Nine percent of this group say they are vegetarian, a higher percentage than is true of Americans in the two higher-income groups. Differences in levels of veganism among these three groups are not statistically significant.

Gallop poll

usernamesAreTricky, (edited )

Many of those types of crops used for feed aren’t really aligned all that well. Corn for instance isn’t going used so heavily in a plant-based diet as it is subsidized (corn is the most subsidized crop in the US). There is also separate food-grade and feed-grade soybeans. 90% of US soy production is going to feed (and not to mention a good portion of the other 10% is going to soybean oil which is not super helpful for a plant-based meat)

90% of U.S. soybeans produced are used as a high-quality protein source for animal feed

soygrowers.com/…/animal-ag/

Further, they are still getting massive amounts of direct subsidies

The Department of Agriculture has spent almost $50 billion in subsidies for livestock operators since 1995, according to an EWG analysis.

By contrast, since 2018 the USDA has spent less than $30 million to support plant-based and other alternative proteins that may produce fewer greenhouse gases and may require less land than livestock.

ewg.org/…/usda-livestock-subsidies-near-50-billio…

Also worth mentioning that beans are not particularly highly subsidized unless you are counting soybeans mentioned earlier.

usernamesAreTricky,

In most countries, organic mostly just means that the feed they use is organic with maybe a few minor other additions, but regardless I wouldn’t trust any claims of anything actually being antibiotic-free.

usernamesAreTricky,

Besides, we kill more animals coming after your precious growing plants than we do deliberately for food

That’s just not true. It takes far more crops to produce animal products than just eating plants for food. Feeding another being is a process that is very lossy for energy (they move around, have body functions, etc. that use up that energy)

“1 kg of meat requires 2.8 kg of human-edible feed for ruminants and 3.2 for monogastrics”

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S2211912416300013

“If everyone shifted to a plant-based diet we would reduce global land use for agriculture by 75%. This large reduction of agricultural land use would be possible thanks to a reduction in land used for grazing and a smaller need for land to grow crops.

ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

“Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].”

www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/htm

usernamesAreTricky,

Feed additives don’t change overall methane emissions much, and not at all near what’s touted by grossly misleading stats

What’s more, feeding cattle algae is really only practical where it’s least needed: on feedlots. This is where most cattle are crowded in the final months of their 1.5- to 2-year lives to rapidly put on weight before slaughter. There, algae feed additives can be churned into the cows’ grain and soy feed. But on feedlots, cattle already belch less methane—only 11 percent of their lifetime output

[…]

Unfortunately, adding the algae to diets on the pasture, where it’s most needed, isn’t a feasible option either. Out on grazing lands, it’s difficult to get cows to eat additives because they don’t like the taste of red algae unless it’s diluted into feed. And even if we did find ways to sneak algae in somehow, there’s a good chance their gut microbes would adapt and adjust, bringing their belches’ methane right back to high levels.

[…] All told, if we accept the most promising claims of the algae boosters, we’re talking about an 80 percent reduction of methane among only 11 percent of all burps—roughly an 8.8 percent reduction total

www.wired.com/story/carbon-neutral-cows-algae/

usernamesAreTricky,

Motion is relative, there is no sationary reference frame. From the reference frame of the portals, they do have momentum going towards the portal

usernamesAreTricky, (edited )
  1. N95 work the best but that doesn’t mean other masks do nothing. They still very much reduce risk
  2. this is an article about the UK. Election years aren’t really quite a thing in the UK as the UK parelement’s elections are called whenever the ruling party/coalition calls it as long as it’s within a certain time frame (in this case by 2025) and it’s highly unlikely for them to call for sooner than they have to as the Torries aren’t exactly polling well
usernamesAreTricky, (edited )

Unless things have changed, Apple’s policy of generally not allowing programs to download executable code would block this. Browsers are locked into using Apple’s allowed web engines because of this, so basically every browser on iOS is safari or re-themed safari

usernamesAreTricky, (edited )

It found that in high-income countries:

Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.

• Vegetarian diets were a close second.

• Flexitarian diets with low amounts of meat and dairy reduced costs by 14%.

• By contrast, pescatarian diets increased costs by up to 2%.

ox.ac.uk/…/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-…

Compared to meat eaters, results show that “true” vegetarians do indeed report lower food expenditures

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0921800915301488?via%3Di…—(looking at the US)

Based on primary data (n = 1040) collected through an online survey, representative of the Portuguese population, through logistic regressions, it was possible to conclude that plant-based consumers, particularly vegan, are associated with lower food expenditures compared to omnivorous consumers. In fact, plant-based consumers are shown to spend less than all other consumers assessed

…springeropen.com/…/s40100-022-00224-9

usernamesAreTricky,

TIL quoting scientitic articles about cost is calling someone any of those things

usernamesAreTricky,

Is that a reference to something? Feel like I saw a post like that but can’t remeber lol

usernamesAreTricky,

Bread is not an animal product nor are most types of bread typically made with any animal products additives

usernamesAreTricky,

I suppose that’s technically still a reference to something just a reference to something you experienced

usernamesAreTricky,

Stuff like that usually is worsened by captivity, but the title of this article is actually underselling it. They specifically give them disease-infected piglets and their feces

Employees can be seen removing the intestines of dead, disease-infected piglets and mixing them with piglet feces in a blender — a mixture to be fed to the adult breeding pigs — causing one worker to gag.

The practice, called “feedback,” is common in the pork business (or “controlled oral exposure” in industry jargon). The slurry of pig poop and parts is often fed to new female breeding pigs

vox.com/…/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunit…

usernamesAreTricky,

The title of this article is actually underselling it. They specifically give them disease-infected piglets and their feces

Employees can be seen removing the intestines of dead, disease-infected piglets and mixing them with piglet feces in a blender — a mixture to be fed to the adult breeding pigs — causing one worker to gag.

The practice, called “feedback,” is common in the pork business (or “controlled oral exposure” in industry jargon). The slurry of pig poop and parts is often fed to new female breeding pigs

vox.com/…/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunit…

usernamesAreTricky,

If you don’t want to login to youtube to watch that, you can also watch that here

usernamesAreTricky,

Link to the article if anyone wants to read it: vox.com/…/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunit…

usernamesAreTricky,

For reference for others, they do seem to be getting mass-downvoted on all their recent comments in their post history with plenty being pretty benign:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ca25d94c-0348-4891-954f-9d9eaaedea89.png

usernamesAreTricky,

Yep feeding dead cows to cows is the main way that mad cow disease shows up (there is also sometimes atypical mad cow disease where it shows up randomly too)

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It’s a seperate website - it just sends a code to your lemmy account for you to confirm who you are

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