rottingleaf

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Does "Rock music is evil / of the devil" have racist roots?

As a Christian most of the circles I’m around are pretty chill…no stone-cold fundamentalists. But I have been around people (and even had family members) who are 100% convinced that rock music is evil and will lead people to engage in witchcraft and draw pentagrams all over their home....

rottingleaf,

Along a different track of thinking, from where did rock music originate? Slaves. They created the guitar because slave-owners didn’t allow them to make music with drums.

What the flying fuck? The guitar is one of the oldest mediterranean instruments. Naturally it evolved from antiquity, but just how did you think that?

That attitude stems, naturally, from association with sex, drugs and pacifist rebellion with rock music. Organized religion often supports sexual morality, is suspicious of drugs (when it doesn’t incorporate their usage), and considers the social hierarchies to be of divine root, thus going to war would be the right thing to do and pacifism would be the opposite.

rottingleaf,

I’ve read Vladimir Bukovsky (the Soviet dissident), and the way he describes Soviet courts I advise you to see.

Of course that was about political cases etc, but when you’re complaining, remember that it can be worse.

rottingleaf,

IP isn’t real and shouldn’t exist in the first place.

This. They’ve made up a dubious analogy between owning physical items and knowledge, and make the “burn the witch” act when you point out that it’s unsatisfactory to make laws, and there are plenty of people running around who haven’t ever made anything in their lives which would be impeded by IP, so they just support it.

I know a few people who’ve made IP-worthy things, sometimes published (small-issue), the pattern is that they are against IP (while for them I’d understand having emotional reasons to support it).

rottingleaf,

It could be that making an example is sufficient.

rottingleaf,

You should add that the “sometime after” was also often sometime after WWII, so they are not very historical, look ugly and take space.

rottingleaf,

Canned fish + rice + potatoes + maybe some vegetables + water + maybe some spices. Put on heat, return after some time, get a soup.

If there’s no canned fish, pour in some sunflower oil, etc. Every part is variable.

Depending on the amount of rice and water, this may not be a soup in the end.

rottingleaf,

You just need practice ; I, for one, just considered it a given that you have to gradually raise the strength of your punch at a fscking concrete wall painted over, and then it’ll start slowly crumbling in the place you hit, like in those vids about Shaolin monks. Didn’t work, but aside from pain, no problems with my fists.

rottingleaf,

I was just trying to feel the Force and gradually jump from bigger heights. Haven’t broken anything, so it was more or less good sport. But taught me wrong things about physical strength etc.

rottingleaf,

Actually the reason USSR failed was the state itself not being very agile. Different state entities would impede each other while fighting for funds, for their project to become standard (the competing projects would become standards as well, there’d be plenty of incompatible standards), for them to be more politically important (Politburo wasn’t a dictatorial institution).

Naturally in such a climate any cooperation between state entities would involve more complex and obscure diplomacy and deals than how it happens between companies in typical market economies.

So this:

They addressed the productivity issues of decentralized socialism through centralization.

is the opposite of reality. Productivity was USSR’s weakest side. It really honestly succeeded in some unexpected aspects, but efficiency is not one of them.

rottingleaf,

Decentralization of the Soviets was immensely worse early after the revolution though

If NEP is what you mean by “decentralization” (because nothing else makes sense even remotely, Soviets by definition are a vertical structure, like a tree with its root being the center), then it’s generally accepted that NEP was the thing which allowed to restore Soviet Russia from a famished wasteland after the Civil War.

so they centralized early

They had almost a decade of slowly pushing out communist dissenters out of the political field (all non-communist leftists were already banned closer to the end of the Civil War, and the rest - hahaha), which may give you the wrong impression. However, they were heavily centralized from day one. That was part of the ideology. It’s not some European leftists we are talking about.

For these people political competitiveness or pluralism or due process in courts or human rights were not high on the list of priorities. Building industries to arm heavily and “spread the revolution” was.

Their ideal was some sort of a communist version of the German Empire.

rottingleaf,

Wrong idea of magic in my opinion. I like Tolkien’s one more.

We don’t play games to imagine some heavenly world where we don’t need to be stronger IMHO. That’d be boring and depressing.

We play games for a world where we are stronger or know our goals in life better. IMHO again.

rottingleaf, (edited )

Well, I very rarely play DnD, but it very much depends on the DM and the quest.

EDIT: Hey, guys with downvotes, good stories are a thing, roleplaying is a thing. If your whole session consists of combat and preparation for it, or magic and preparation for it, then it’s your own particular regrettable situation.

And “rarely play DnD” means literally DnD itself, like third edition or Pathfinder. Tabletop RPGs - rather often.

rottingleaf,

Why people downvote you I don’t know.

rottingleaf,

Thank you!

rottingleaf,

A world in which magic can cure all ills has integrity problems. (I mean, it was funny in the W.I.T.C.H. series when Cornelia’s little sister was dreaming and her dreams were affecting the world around everybody else. I don’t accept critique for liking that series, be it comic books or animated.)

rottingleaf,

It is - in your strawman argument. Because they’ve just said that evil is not limited to fascists and described how.

I agree with every word and the tone too. There are plenty of people with “contempt for the weak” who for whatever reason disagree that they are dirt.

It’s an attack at dishonorable people, and if you have the need to resort to strawman arguments, then maybe it has something to do with you.

rottingleaf,

I took it personally because you’ve put that “implying Nazis were not as bad” part as if it’s normal thought process. It’s really not, I only see such when the one expressing it has already made up their mind and is just trying to silence\condemn the initial commenter. I haven’t ever seen that IRL being expressed sincerely. It’s always “burn the witch”.

rottingleaf,

Like are we talking about people who believe that all the world’s issues are caused by meddling and scheming of the genetically inferior and rule of the world is the birthright of some genetically pure ubermenschs

Strictly speaking, they believed that grouping of people by race makes sense in respect to their personality, and thus some common racial interests, and then that thus races compete fight each other, and then that thus they should make their own race “win”. Genetic “purity” was in their opinion needed to preserve “their” personality traits, or something like that.

That’s still bullshit, but with my description I hope you can see that it’s more similar to class theory in Marxism than Marxists would like to admit.

That’s not happening here, but I’ve seen so much of it that it shades how I interact with online discourse.

Well, for me any kind of contempt for the weak (in any respect - appearances, sicknesses, hard childhood, trauma, unpleasant personality, anything) is reminiscent of people who dismiss anybody with a problem with no objections from their conscience, also thinking that such behavior makes them stronger. And I know that maybe they’ll regret that in the old age, and that those they dismiss will later praise the universe that they’ve been dismissed by such people, but still.

And fighting that contempt for the weak I don’t see as potentially harmful, while attacking somebody who’s doing it is in my opinion and indicator of being the bigot in question.

rottingleaf,

Their independent part of it is theirs, and the metropolitan isn’t, just like with territory. That’s the way said analogy would work.

rottingleaf,

Nah, an OS won’t make you a haxxx0rman.

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