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kpw,

It's missing a emoji so I know how to react tho

kpw,

Please stop purposefully misunderstanding people when the thing their trying to say is clear. Most annoying character trait one could have.

kpw,

Anyone knows what F-Droid will do? Will they switch over to a fork? Maybe the people who installed it via F-Droid don't have to switch at all. @fdroid

kpw,

Sad to see them go, I use their apps every day. Probably they don't really need any updates for a long time, hopefully an open source fork will emerge until then.

kpw,

Off topic, but the rules of math are not set in stone. We didn't start with ZFC, some people reject the C entirely, then there is intuitionistic logic which I used to laugh at until I learned about proof assistants and type theory. And then there are people who claim we should treat the natural numbers as a finite set, because things we can't compute don't matter anyways.

On topic: Parsing notation is not a math problem and if your notation is ambiguous or unclear to your audience try to fix it.

kpw,

Can you prove your brain is more than a algorithmic probability engine albeit a powerful one?

kpw,

I bet they didn't consider this one when writing the law!

kpw,

Can you prove that anyone except you exists?

You're reading this and you're not me, qed.
I actually just wanted OP to consider it. I know there cannot be definitive proof.

kpw,

Let's see what F-Droid does. Maybe they will switch to releasing an open source fork and we don't have to search for alternatives after all.

kpw,

There's an IETF internet standard for federated messaging called XMPP. Just be compatible with the standard. It also allows for extensions if you offer more than the core spec.

kpw,

XMPP maybe. Matrix is a bloated protocol which costs a lot more to host.

kpw,

If you need to convince your friends to use some app it might as well be XMPP compatible instead of another walled garden. If you can get your friends on board, you win, even if nobody else uses it.

kpw,

XMPP is the IETF Internet Standard while Matrix is just another custom IM protocol managed by a venture capital funded startup which keeps losing money.

kpw,

WhatsApp started is an XMPP client, but they use lots of proprietary extensions (doesn't matter since they don't federate). You can build very robust and scalable messengers with it if you want to.

The open source implementations are developed by like 1-2 guys in their spare time and they're not far behind (and sometimes even ahead) other federated messengers which received tens of millions in venture capital funding.

kpw,

At least the private contact discovery is not very private:

The client calculates the truncated SHA256 hash of each phone number in the device’s address book.
The client transmits those truncated hashes to the service.

Phone numbers are so not-sparse that there even was a game to text your "number neighbor". I can probably build a pretty effective rainbow table for this with my current hardware.

kpw,

Nothing in the XMPP RFCs says you can't do that. Go ahead.

kpw,

Yes, but he's also Russian which disqualifies this fact as extraordinary.

kpw,

I honestly don't know what you mean by that. I use Arch btw.

kpw,

Sway works well for me, what's wrong with it?

kpw,

Wikimedia ist ein typisches Beispiel, wie eine Organisation sich so lange ausbreitet, bis das ganze Budget verbraucht ist. Die Hosting Kosten sind für lange Zeit gedeckt und diejenigen, die die Artikel schreiben, machen das ehrenamtlich. Die Wikipedia ist eine wirklich tolle Sache, aber es gibt andere Organisationen, die Spenden mehr verdient hätten.

kpw,

The Pentagon is not some rich dude with lawyers.

kpw,

The military also doesn't make any revenue probably.

kpw,

Signal is not much better than WhatsApp or any other walled garden messenger without provider choice. Don't waste your time and energy to move people to walled gardens. A better idea would be to use providers and apps that support the federated internet standard XMPP: https://joinjabber.org

kpw,

Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy.

kpw,

Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited.

kpw,

How regularly should I check if Signal has become an interoperable internet standard?

kpw,

Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/

kpw,

You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe.

kpw,

Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability.

kpw,

You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body.

kpw,

Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.

Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:

kpw,

It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.

You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.

kpw,

Are you sure? I don't mind. Together we have a stronger economy. If they want to be subject of all EU market policy without having a voice in the decision process that's their choice.

kpw,

Vote with your wallet is only ever said to those whose wallet is thin.

Google Researchers’ Attack Prompts ChatGPT to Reveal Its Training Data (www.404media.co)

ChatGPT is full of sensitive private information and spits out verbatim text from CNN, Goodreads, WordPress blogs, fandom wikis, Terms of Service agreements, Stack Overflow source code, Wikipedia pages, news blogs, random internet comments, and much more....

kpw,

It's not hard to understand. People already trust the output of LLMs way too much because it sounds reasonable. On further inspection often it turns out to be bullshit. So LLMs increase the level of bullshit compared to the input data. Repeat a few times and the problem becomes more and more obvious.

kpw,

Have you seen Sepia Search? https://search.joinpeertube.org/

kpw,

Federated search is difficult. For now this is a temporary solution.

kpw,

Können wir alle als nächstes das tolle Spiel StreetComplete spielen? Gibt's sogar auf F-Droid.

kpw,

Something felt wrong using Windows. It felt right when I switched to Linux.

kpw,

Great. That means there is a natural demand for artists. If AI starts failing because it isn't fed enough art, the demand will rise.

kpw,

Personally Linux has everything I want. Kind of per definition. If it's not available for Linux I don't care about it. I would use Windows if I had to use it for work.

kpw,

You sound like those people that "can't use Mastodon" because they have to choose a server first and that's too complicated.

kpw,

Where am I gatekeeping Linux?? Also I don't care what other people use that's entirely their problem.

kpw,

Die Umfrage sagt nicht mehr aus als wer sich mit wem die Straße teilen muss.

kpw,

Why CS lecturers? Have you seen the code that comes with PhD theses? Academics aren't necessarily the best programmers out there.

kpw, (edited )

The whole point of XMPP or Matrix is to provide interoperability between IM services. For interoperability to exist, we must agree on standards. Matrix is not a standard, but essentially a product controlled entirely by NewVector, a venture capital funded start-up.

They are not profitable and increasingly desperate to make money. Recently they forked Element and Synapse and make contributors sign a CLA which enables them to change their software to a non-free license in the future for monetization: https://drewdevault.com/2018/10/05/Dont-sign-a-CLA.html

You might say "But they made a non-profit foundation for Matrix" which is kind of true, but not really. The "core spec team" is all people working for NewVector except a single guy. Go checkout their linked GitHub profiles.

The whole Matrix thing should build on the existing XMPP internet standard. Instead we got yet another incompatible IM protocol, effectively controlled by a single corporation and more fragmentation. Bridges don't help as they break almost all features, most regrettably end-to-end encryption. We really need proper internet standards for interoperability.

XMPP is also more lightweight and has proper native clients for all platforms instead of Electron apps. On the server side the difference is even more severe.

kpw,

Ironically XMPP is a counterexample to your argument. They made the switch to mandatory TLS even though GChat didn't.

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