Ok, I see. To be honest, I didn’t put as much thought in this than in the last stories. Maybe it would have worked if it was longer … I will think about it! Thanks anyway for the feedback.
And it isn’t very Solarpunkish 😉
the use of “open web” etc makes it too up front as well
That’s true. But otherwise, I don’t think the idea would have come across
Well yes, but Solarpunk also supported dezentrality 😇
the use of “open web” etc makes it too up front as well
That would still have been an interesting way to explore these questions. Royalty does not exist in a vacuum, it is a product of many principles that Sheeta and Pazy would not be fan of (not even Muska I bet).
That’s true. Could certainly be interesting, I mean, they build the whole thing and probably spend a few generations there.
But thing is, Miyazaki is very anti-tech. He did not want Laputa to be a dream followed by solarpunk, it was supposed to be a cautionary tale about the fall of technological societies. It prefered to focus on the destructive powers rather than on the post-labor utopias that the Laputa robots could have brought.
I would call his relationship with tech ambivalent, because the tech of Laputa is primarily positive and exists in harmony with nature. It just falls into the wrong hands.
Ok, that’s a little let-down. Although I don’t think its that he is completely against tech, maybe his views changed over time since many of his movies feature technical advantages and not always in a bad way, for example the moving castle …
Yeah its kind of amazing :) (Although I think the story also is kind of universal)
PS: The similarity was noted before, check this out: <a href="">https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/this-crazy-japanese-film-just-blew-away-twitters-tweet-record/</a>
"Twitter revealed a new tweet-per-second record on Friday and it seems the 143,199 tweets-per-second milestone was triggered by the airing of a Japanese animated film. […] In the film, the protagonists send the city’s airborne fortress tumbling out of the sky with the magic word, “balus” which roughly translates to “destruction.” […] So strong is the pull of “Laputa” – even apart from the Ghibli Rule–that during the last airing on Dec. 9, 2011, Twitter logged a then-record-breaking 25,088 tweets per second of fans posting "balus’’ at the same time it was spoken during the movie–despite a public plea from the social-networking site to hold off."
Donna Tam, CNET 16/08/2013
I think Twitter always in a way tried to be the castle in the sky. Also, I think people just found it fun to mess with it.
I wrote a short story about the Fediverse, called “Breath Taker” / “Lamella on My Mind”, which is set in a Solarpunk world, in which, with the help of mushrooms, the so-called Fungiverse replaces traditional social media. I posted links to the short story in this community. Now I’m thinking how to continue to make this...
I would suggest a series of short stories if you like the setting and are enjoying writing it.
I was thinking about that too. Could be cool to experiment with different characters, factions, etc.
I think something more relatable might get the solar punk message across. I only dipped into the short story you posted and it felt more fantasy than near future sci-fi.
Its just that with the mention of actual federated social media, many people seem to immediatly recoil. And then if you introduce some metaphor for the Fediverse like the Fungiverse, then you also have to incorporate it in a world that really embraces the concept.
And tbh, I opened it more because I’m a mushroom and sci-fi/fantasy nerd and saw your post in the sci-fi sub.
Ah, I see. Maybe I do need to edit the story again so it fits more the primary genre … let’s see. Thanks for the feedback ;)
I used to hunt mushrooms with my grandparents as a kid. Got some good memories there. I’m also watched one or the other fungi docu on Netflix. Fascinating stuff.
I can dig up some good podcasts. If you search your favorite podcast service for queer mycology you can learn some interesting things about fungi in a couple of hours :)
Ha ha. It’s such a niche topic but I’m increasingly fascinated by it. Will definitely check out such a podcast :)
I’ll be honest, I only made it halfway into the first paragraph. Such as they are, the thin paragraphs coupled with multiple-screens-no-formatting length makes it impossible to follow the text
That’s unfortunate. I will try to fix it. The WriteFreely-Server I used keeps crashing so I switched to Wordpress …
plus at least from the first paragraph it reads like generated AI nonsense.
I wrote it myself :D But its fine. I hoped it would be fun to read.
Is that the point, though? As in, is this my wooooosh-moment? Is this supposed to say that the Fediverse is too difficult to consume and makes no sense at first?
No, it shouldn’t :( It should just be fantasy/magic realism
Ok, I wrote most of it myself, for parts 2-5 I used some generated stuff as well. I think its fine to use AI as help for inspiration and to get a start. But the first part (Spring) I wrote completely myself. Its actually a few years old by now.
The idea is to have a piece of fiction that you can give a person to experience the Fediverse while also being moderately entertained in the process. So: would you give this story to a person that doesn’t know anything about the Fediverse? I would love to hear your opinions. I will try to incorporate feedback into the story...
Wood Wide Web: Already a term in biology. “Research has shown that beneath every forest and wood there is a complex underground web of roots, fungi and bacteria helping to connect trees and plants to one another. This subterranean social network, nearly 500 million years old, has become known as the “wood wide web”.”...
I find the term fediverse irritating and I’m currently writing a short story about the Fediverse.
If you want something that carries more meaning then those proposed terms are maybe not the best as a mycelium network does not represent very well what the fediverse does.
For me, ActivityPub does for the web about the same thing that fungi do in the forest: they allow communication about the content in the web without a central entity.
If you want some more practical comparison then maybe a network of scribes in monastery libraries that copy texts and exchange them via a postal network?
But they aren’t sharing only text. Also: the monk doesn’t exist. The communication works dezentralized through a protocol.
I think with these fungi-terms there are much better metaphors attached to it.
Look at videos explaining the Fediverse to people. It’s almost always with a very abstract universe-metaphor. In the mastodon video you have mammoths on islands that communicate with each other. It’s cute but doesn’t make much sense.
The fungi-metaphor is also abstract, but after all, the concept of dezentralized social networks is abstract in itself. But explaining it with something that at least exists in the real world I think could be much more effective.
Its also a nice claim: why are basically trying to implement what nature already does. Now we adapt it for human society. How cool is that? Currently it’s like: there is this very abstract fediverse that’s different than everything that people experience on the web currently but it’s awesome, please join. I don’t find this a very confincing narrative.
I think it’s bigger than that. The verge says it will create an open social graph IN the web. I think it could have great potential to transform society for the better.
Your explanation makes sense but I think it doesn’t convey the full potential of it.
I’m not a fan of fungi, I just think its a good metaphor for what ActivityPub does.
But I see your point: fediverse makes sense in the context, however:
The context in which the Fediverse was created is one that should be overcome. We don’t want walled gardens, in a world without them, the term Fediverse doesn’t make sense anymore. I think what we need to achieve as a society is a true implementation of the “social web”. And federation is not a main thing here, it’s just a by-product that could make it work.
I still think it would be great to have a handy metaphor that basically explains itself and that makes sense without having to explain centralized social networks first
For me it runs down to this: how do you explain the Fediverse to someone when walled gardens don’t exist anymore? Its a term created with respect to the old times. I think its contraproductive. The term “social web” is much better imo.
Why universe? It has nothing to do with virtual reality and it sounds very sealed. But what we currently see with the introduction to ActivityPub to Wordpress for example is that it actually becomes a part of the Web. Its more similar to the web than it is to virtual universes.
The concept “federated” only makes sense in the current context. We have centralized social networks. They are bad. We want something else and think federation could do it. But it would be nice to have a metaphor that somehow stands on its own legs without relying on the old system. And the main thing that ActivityPub brings us is that the web becomes a social place.
That’s why I find “social web” better. It’s more future-oriented and less defensive.
Why universe? It has nothing to do with virtual reality and it sounds very sealed. But what we currently see with the introduction to ActivityPub to Wordpress for example is that it actually becomes a part of the Web. Its more similar to the web than it is to virtual universes.
The concept “federated” only makes sense in the current context. We have centralized social networks. They are bad. We want something else and think federation could do it. But it would be nice to have a metaphor that somehow stands on its own legs without relying on the old system. And the main thing that ActivityPub brings us is that the web becomes a social place.
That’s why I find “social web” better. It’s more future-oriented and less defensive.
Regarding the rest: the ActivityPub network is not a diffuse mesh that propagates basic info. Its more of a copy, store and forwarding system, and the instance servers (and admins 😏 ) would be the monks in my previous analogy.
Ok, now I get it. My bad. However: the analogy misses the main part of the Fediverse: the protocol. Where do you get the monks the messages from?
The universe sounds sealed to you? Do you know what the universe is? Also what does that have to do with VR?
If you put it that way of course not. But look at it that way: people are in their own universe. They are a universe away from other parts of the web. I think that sounds pretty sealed. Also counterquestion: why universe to begin with. Why not web or net? I feel like it was chosen just because it sounds cool.
If you want a graphic, that’s how I see it (the black lines symbolize pulling for engagement, e.g. through links):
Technical innovations are often named after representations from nature or society. Take the paper bin on windows or the whole file system. These are all metaphors for complex concepts.
Could be that federation will be the metaphor to go but I think there are better ones out there.
Every social network is it’s own universe. So basically if you speak about the multiverse of social networks universe sounds pretty sealed.
Fair enough, I’m just not sure it’s THE defining feature of the social web that I have in mind. For me it’s more the dezentral aspect and that’s for me best represented with fungi
I was thinking the wise person wasnt necessary to join the fungiverse, more so that they explained some things. Like they arent necessary, just helpful. Just like how often people new to the fediverse need some help from existing members to get tips and information about it that they might not quite grasp at first.
Yeah ok, I get that. As long as it optional and not too pushy, I would be okay with that. Just a fan of self-exploration. But asking people can of course be a part of that.
Good luck on the edits! Im excited to read the next draft when its ready :)
Thanks, so far making good progress. Hope it will be ready soon :)
A new Type of Mastodon Signup that gives people a sense of Agency (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/6792877...
Colonize the Open Web (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
New story, I hope you like it. Feedback always welcome.
Das Schloss im Himmel - Neue Ufer (fungiverse.wordpress.com) German
Castle in the Sky - After the Fall (Fanfiction, with references to Elon Musk's Twitter Reign and dezentralized solution) (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
Arrival of the Meta Myzel – A Fungiverse Tale (Neue Kurz-Geschichte, die das Fediverse in eine Solarpunk-Welt integriert) (fungiverse.wordpress.com) German
Arrival of the Meta Myzel – A Fungiverse Tale (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
When she woke up, she immediately sensed that something was wrong....
"Breath Taker" - Kurzgeschichte, die das Fediverse in eine Solarpunk-Welt integriert (fungiverse.wordpress.com) German
Würdet ihr diese Geschichte jemandem geben, der noch nichts vom Fediverse versteht? Bin gespannt auf eure Meinungen :)
Should I add more chapters to my Fungiverse-Story, expand the story to a novel or retry in a completely new setting?
I wrote a short story about the Fediverse, called “Breath Taker” / “Lamella on My Mind”, which is set in a Solarpunk world, in which, with the help of mushrooms, the so-called Fungiverse replaces traditional social media. I posted links to the short story in this community. Now I’m thinking how to continue to make this...
Breath Taker - A revised version of the Fedipunk story I posted here earlier (based on Feedback now with Fungi-Taylor-Swift, a Moderator character, Fridays for Fungi and MUCH MORE Lemmy-Drama) (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/5328368...
Breath Taker - A revised version of the story I posted here earlier, which incorporates the Fediverse in a Solarpunk world, in which Plant-, Fungi-, Fish-People and Humans try to make a living (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/5328368...
Breath Taker - A revised version of the story I posted here earlier, which incorporates the Fediverse in a Solarpunk world, in which Plant-, Fungi-, Fish-People and Humans try to make a living (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
The idea is to have a piece of fiction that you can give a person to experience the Fediverse while also being moderately entertained in the process. So: would you give this story to a person that doesn’t know anything about the Fediverse? I would love to hear your opinions. I will try to incorporate feedback into the story...
[DALLE] Witchy Fungi Woman (feddit.de)
The term "Fediverse" concerns itself mainly with social networks and doesn't include sites like Wordpress to support ActivityPub. My proposal for a new term: the fungal web (feddit.de)
cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/5064944...
Which alternate term for the Fediverse do you like best: Wood Wide Web, Fungal/Fungi Web or Fungiverse?
Wood Wide Web: Already a term in biology. “Research has shown that beneath every forest and wood there is a complex underground web of roots, fungi and bacteria helping to connect trees and plants to one another. This subterranean social network, nearly 500 million years old, has become known as the “wood wide web”.”...
What should a fedipunk-novel be about? (fedipunk = solarpunk+dezentralized social media)
I posted one of my stories here and got as reply that it was bio-punk, because it introduced the Fediverse as a fungi-network....