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Shows how desperate they've become for content creators after the fiasco that was the third party app protest. Like, they're not profitable yet, and they want to give money away? C'mon already.

It took a while but I finally got my Reddit data export (kbin.social)

It took several weeks but I finally got my Reddit data export for my account. If it wasn't already obvious, the direct messages there are not encrypted in any meaningful way. One interesting variable I found was in the file named "statistics", there's a variable named "is_deleted" which is set to false. This makes me wonder if,...

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Check out https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/50981/Reddit-Data-Retrieval-Request-timeline-thread if you haven't already.

This makes me wonder if, when you "delete" your account, they just flip this variable to disable login but still retain all of your user data.

I'm pretty sure this is the case. At least within some short timeframe (say 30 days or something).

First, I've read on reddit about cases where folks had their reddit accounts hacked, and then the black hats deleted the accounts. But reddit was able to restore them.

Second, I got permabanned, so I eventually left reddit and deleted my account. However, if you try to visit my account, you see that my account is blocked instead of seeing the user deleted account message.

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There was an issue where lemmy.ml refused connections from kbin instances but the admins of that instance fixed the issue yesterday. At no point did true defederation occur.

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Would cross-post this to @kbinStyles

How can I automate the process of deleting my remaining comments that scripts weren't able to delete by using the csv file received from my GDPR data request? (kbin.social)

I ran into the profile limit so no more comments show up, but they are still on reddit with the csv file having links to the ones that haven't been deleted. There's too much for me to do it manually so would appreciate help if there's some tool to automate the process.

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Recommend giving https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit a try - it supports using the GDPR archive out of the box, no code changes required.

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The instructions on GitHub are the guide.

I would start a new thread in this magazine and tag the folks who said they already used shreddit successfully to see if they can help.

The only other advice I have might be that the exe is bad so try finding a good guide for setting up WSL2 and then running the Unix version of shreddit in there. (I think most folks who did it successfully are on OS X or something)

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If you think that's bad, remember reddit permabans folks at random for no reason. (A "for multiple content violations" doesn't count if this is the first punishment and weeks have gone by since you've posted and no specific content violations (i.e. posts or comments) are identified.)

https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/85486/Permaban-roll-call

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I would try asking on @kbinStyles to see if anyone has a style or a script that can do this.

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Not sure I think just copy the https link to this page and add a new link in the other magazine

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No regrets. reddit basically made the choice for me.

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I am pretty sure PDS does not currently support using the GDPR archive, and thus can miss things.

I just found out that not all of my Reddit comments had been deleted despite my profile page showing otherwise. (kbin.social)

TL;DR: even if your delete script confirms a full wipe and your Reddit profile page shows zero comment, there may still be comments left over (that you can find through a search engine and delete manually on Reddit)....

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Yep, I covered this previously, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/47320/PSA-If-you-have-more-than-1000-posts-more-than

Along with a method to deal with this, even if you don't think you can get your GDPR archive, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the

I never got a chance to follow up with https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/107907/POLL-Should-we-sticky-some-PSA-We-need-to-warn but I think I should soon.

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FYI for those who are worried that they aren't covered by a law like the GDPR/CCPA (or even PIPEDA/LGPD/CPA/VCDPA) and that reddit might not give it to them, I came up with a way to get a similar list (bypassing the limits) here, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the

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I was permabanned but everything was still there, nothing was deleted. I still had to use a combo of a script to delete things plus manual deletion.

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Well, when I was permabanned, I could still create an API key and run a script like github shreddit to wipe my account out. I never lost access to my account, I just couldn't add new posts/comments or send messages to anyone.

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Don’t understand why people are surprised that a private company would like to hold on to your data and keep it active no matter what you want or think or do.

Maybe because reddit literally says they will allow you to change this on their privacy policy?

https://www.reddit.com/policies/privacy-policy

Your Rights and Choices
Accessing and Changing Your Information
You can access your information and change or correct certain information through the Services.

anything you do there is just adding to their monetization of your activity … the best thing to do is to do nothing

Well, saving a copy of your content, overwriting it, and then deleting it - I don't see how this leads to additional monetization. It's actually better than doing nothing because it prevents further monetization.

Ditto with deleting of accounts (as opposed to deletion of content) vs abandoning of accounts. The latter means that reddit can inflate their number of accounts in some ways, etc.

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Hands down this is the right answer.

Just FYI someone else used redact.dev in the past and found that comments got missed too, see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/46805/Strange-phenomenon-while-deleting-my-comments

Also, while GDPR archive + github reddit works out of the box, if for some reason you don't want to wait that long or are skeptical that reddit will get back to you (perhaps you live in a place that has no GDPR/CCPA), then there is a backup method to get around this limit, using the pushshift archives available via torrent.

https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the

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Correct, github shreddit for example can do this, it has builtin support for checking the GDPR archive and finding comments and posts to delete/overwrite that way.

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For the path of least resistance, getting the copy of the archive and then using a tool like github shreddit to delete works 100% without needing to do anything beyond setting up an API key manually.

To refuse to comply with a formal deletion request (where reddit does the deleting instead of you (even via a tool like shreddit)) is illegal, and reddit should lose in the end, but it will take some years go to through the courts and such.

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Recommend giving https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit a try - it supports using the GDPR archive out of the box, no code changes required.

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I did something similar - see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the (though I didn't have the benefit of the archive). TTThe other thing to look out for is that I'm not sure if you can delete comments or submissions from private subs.,, but you can at least modify the script to warn you about those ids and then you can monitor and wait for the sub to go unprivate (or as the mods to add you to the approved users list)

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There is a way to do this, pushshift is gone but the torrents are still available and you can use that, see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the

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There is another way to use pushshift, despite it being shut down, see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the

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the same way api protesters reddit thinks they are entitled to having reddit bend to their will api protesters give them free money for nothing after taking away the apps that make reddit bearable

there, fixed that for you

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In the meantime, to ensure that r/PICS is adhering to all of Reddit’s guidelines and requests, we would be happy to revert the NSFW setting, restrict posting, and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone.

Hmm. So they are superficially giving in, they won't keep NSFW on to avoid ads money for reddit. But by going restricted, and going after all "offensive" content (could I read that to mean all John Oliver content? i.e. all content since the protests started) they stand to cause a massive drop in traffic to the sub, which should still hurt the bottom line.

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Would try checking in @kbinStyles - someone might have a style or fancy script that can call kbin.social/subs and replace the top bar with the output or something like that.

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...no?

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Same.

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In my view this means the protests worked. reddit was forced to delay and stagger the API changes rollout over the "coming weeks" (so they don't say exactly how many weeks, but if it's more than four then the rollout as a whole may even be delayed by over a month). Presumably the worst of it won't take effect until after they feel like the protests have lost steam and folks have lost interest in it.

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Still ridiculous. If they couldn't handle it then how could a one-person dev team do it for their own 3rd party apps? I noticed that none of the 3rd party apps that did work out deals have released any new apps yet, even the ones that are trying to make it work can't release on that schedule.

Maybe reddit wouldn't have been so willing to give them a break if not for the protests.

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Jeez man ... +1 to this person! https://teddit.adminforge.de/r/pics/comments/14puynz/chatgpt_bots_are_spamming_proadmin_astroturf/jql4cka/#c

(After r/programming went private, they sent the u/ModCodeOfConduct modmail to the mods of r/programming - which is modded by reddit admins.)

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I guess that message worked as the sub reopened. /s

This July 4th, let's remember that unfair economic treatment was a major cause of the American Revolutionary War. Our revolt has this much in common. (kbin.social)

There were numerous factors that led to the revolution, but a key one was unfair taxation. The British parliament was in a position of power and thought that they could behave with impunity for further profits....

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Brilliant work by that team! Either reddit has to violate its own rules (which sadly they can, by deleting all NSFW content and removing the flag), or let the mods go.

And if they let the mods go, other giant subs can do the same thing in order to safely go NSFW.

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Even after you manually wiped using the links in your archive? If you just used PDS though it might be that reddit did some reindexing to make older stuff show up again, or a sub or a few going unprivate.

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Ah, recommend trying out https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit - that one you can feed your archive and it will figure out the links on its own

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Apologies for any typos or bad formatting, I ran up against the 5000 character limit, and tried to edit down - and the 'more' popup actually pops under the next comment in my browser. I'm sure I could fix it somehow, but I believe everything is still intelligible.

No worries, it's intelligble, and I get it as I got hit by the same thing.

I disagree with your latter point.

Okay, but I don't think you've adaquately explained why.

kbin.social has hit a reasonable mass of users to have a strong local community and become a platform unto itself, running on kbin software.

But it can also join with older, more established communities on lemmy instances like lemmy.world and the two can share content with each other. From a kbin.social account I can fully participate on lemmy.world bar two exceptions (owning a lemmy.world magazine and being a lemmy.world admin), and the reverse is equally true. Hence why I view lemmy/kbin as essentially a single platform.

In your case, "local" seems to mean central to the server. But why is this an inherently important attribute?

I'm not interested in a smaller community.

Again, the point of federation - the different parts (instances) merge into a single platform and community. Each instance hosts a smaller part of the whole community, instead of needing a megacorp capable of hosting the entire one on a single set of servers. Ideally, seamlessly, but in practice I admit there are still some rough edges to work out (e.g. multimagazine support).

There might be a point here when dealing with magazine fragmentation - but reddit has the same problem to a degree and we can borrow their solution (multireddits/multimagazines) to resolve that issue here as well.

I joined Reddit because it was the largest single-site community on the Web. I want the monolithic community, and I accept the costs that incurs, including ads or ad-first design.

Yes, but why? This is the part that is yet to be explained. I think the dangers of single-site centralization have already been demonstrated (e.g. loss of 3rd party apps, mods losing their subs when protesting, folks getting permabans for no apparent reason or for obviously incorrect reasons, etc.)

I don't care about the difference between Mastodo, kbin, & Lemmy. They're web software which are trying to replace a monolith, and have seen imited success.

Following this to the extreme, you shouldn't want to use either twitter or reddit, because they can't talk to each other. Right? (Okay, single sign on is possible, but after that you still have to interact with their websites and apps separately.)

The fediverse lacks the first mover advantage of being born in the ninties or early aughts and also lacks big megacorp backing, but it has seen bigger growth than single site replacements like Squabbles or Tildes, and I suspect federation is a big driver of the difference there.

Right now, the fediverse is just fragments at the foot of the tower of Babel, each speaking a separate tongue, even if some are intelligible to others.

Except that they all speak the same language (ActivityPub) and differ from big monoliths like twitter and reddit that can't talk to anyone else. So from an intelligibility perspective they are a step up.

I don't care about political leanings. I'm talking about a UX issue. If you want to defed from a site, and receive no more content, then so be it, that's the right of an Admin.

Seconded.

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Genuinely I don't understand the issue?

It seems like it boils down to four things.

You can search the Fediverse from one instance using the Magazines tab in Kbin to find places to sub, or sub to communities you find in all feed etc?

This is the first thing. I think this might not always be turning up everything due to the delays with federation. While we might be able to agree that this is good enough, I think another reasonable person can look at this and say that there's room for some technical improvements.

Is the issue to do with the duplication of communities at present

This is the second one. As others have also pointed out, reddit has the same issue so it's not unique to federation (tho this person seems to get hung up specifically on the precise naming to make it federation specific). I think we can adapt the reddit solution (multireddits) to here as well though to solve this (i.e. come up with a scheme for multimagazines).

But I'm not switching between instances

This is the third one, but I think this is not valid. As you say, one can choose to have multiple accounts on other instances, but it's not needed to participate on the other instances. This person says it's their choice to have the other accounts - but then makes a big stink over the effort of having multiple accounts. Like if it's that much trouble then just don't do it.

long term there does need to be tools to allow communities to migrate base from one instance to another

I thought that this might be an issue but actually I raised this point and it wasn't responded to.

The fourth one is that this person seems to consider kbin.social its own distinct platform - which doesn't make sense in light of federation - and seems to prefer centralization in general (despite seeing the good from multiplexing BBSes), but I'm waiting on a response as to why this should be the case. Like what are the specific arguments to prefer centralization to a single server or a single instance?

It does occur to me however that if a paid shill were to try to promote a centralized service over an open source federated one, a way to win folks over might be to present oneself as a highly experienced technical person with direct expeirence in both kinds of systems, but who ultimately prefers centralization and has good technical arguments to back it up, including pointing out flaws or gaps with the existing federated system. And also insist that more people flock to the single overloaded flagship instance, perhaps causing it to overload and die off.

Not saying for sure that this is the case here, but food for thought.

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Nah, I don't think it is the case here at all. The guy had an opinion and was expressing it. I didn't agree, but it's good to see some proper discussion going on.

You're probably right, I may have been overreacting. I guess I'm a little bit paranoid about this because of a recent reveal, see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/92172/Why-Reddit-and-u-spez-must-win and https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/121064/You-are-winning

FWIW The biggest thing I would like to see implements

I think @kbinMeta is the typical goto for things of this nature.

But even the way on some Reddit subs mods sometimes have a list of 'Associated Subs' (so a Reading sub might basically give a shout out to Books, Literature, etc... would be good

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me too.

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