ThereRisesARedStar

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ThereRisesARedStar,

“Fear of peace talks” kitsuragi-depress

ThereRisesARedStar,

Oh god I used a reaction emote oh fuck somebody please stop me

ThereRisesARedStar,

I think you just missed their point, which was about the original clothing being connected to modesty culturally.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Fighting for money and fighting for revolution in a way that allows you to continue to exist assuming you’re not killed are distinct actually. Che had it set in Cuba. He chose to go risk getting killed for his humanist beliefs, not for money.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Turns out that we like one party systems where the proletariat is in control and dislike one party systems where the bourgeoisie are in control. Shocking.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Stuka username claiming others aren’t concerned about Ukrainians lmao

Remind me what the nazis did in Ukraine again?

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Uranium is a very dangerous heavy metal, it just isn’t radioactive.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Depleted uranium is still a very dangerous heavy metal. It just doesn’t irradiate what it poisons.

ThereRisesARedStar,

I’m replying to the person replying to you

ThereRisesARedStar,

The radioactivity is a problem its just like, not significant compared. Sorry my b

ThereRisesARedStar,

Ableism?

ThereRisesARedStar,
ThereRisesARedStar,

So basically admitting you don’t know the actual history? Maybe start with reading a Wikipedia page or something.

Bwahahahaha

ThereRisesARedStar,

And you know how the Vietnam war ended, right?

There was a peace agreement between the north and the south, and then a few years later North Vietnam broke it and invaded again, taking over all of the country.

The US never ratified it which is important because it was their war of aggression.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Why does it always go to homophobia with these types

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin’s atrocities is Holocaust denial.

No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.

ThereRisesARedStar,
ThereRisesARedStar,

Worker control of production, or production according to need?

These end up being the same thing, that is sort of the point of capitalism going away. The profit motive is disconnected from human utility.

ThereRisesARedStar,
ThereRisesARedStar,

Honestly, why not just peg the value of 100 of a a currency to the energy used to create a loaf of bread? Then bread will always cost close to 100 and other products will be priced according to energy and not speculation.

Markets aren’t that efficient compared to planning. There is a reason why firms nowadays work off of a bastardized descendent of Cybersyn.

but you’re asking to replace the entire capitalist economy so I can only hope you understand a revolution doesn’t come without risk and has never truly succeeded yet for anyone ever.

Tell that to Cubans, who had a longer life expectancy than people than the US even with the blockade before Trump intensified the blockade.

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Do you mean the german ones thrown in the camps or the soviet leadership who were the last of the eventual allied powers to do any sort of appeasement with Hitler (after exhausting all attempts to form an alliance with Britain and France) because communism is less aligned with fascist goals than liberalism is aligned with fascist goals, massive underexageration mine? Do you mean the communist low level officials who helped in a massive ethnic relocation program to move vulnerable minorities out of the way of the eventual german invasion? Or do you mean the population of the only communist nation which lost 26 million people, around 1/6th of their population, stopping the holocaust?

Or were you referring to the joke about racism? If so, you gotta look up how the population of the USSR was not considered white at the time. Emma Goldman for example basically called Stalin a slanty eyed conniving Asian, for example. Nowadays slavs are still called orcs and shit by westerners.

ThereRisesARedStar,

For more detail, look up the hearst press holodomor controversy

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

The US prevented a democratic unified korea and killed 20 percent of all Koreans. MacArthur had to have his nuclear command secreted away to prevent him nuking Korea.

Read about it or if youre not into reading listen to the blowback season.

ThereRisesARedStar,

The USSR was literally more democratic than bourgeois democracy.

ThereRisesARedStar,

The initial meme included basically all communist countries, they mean communists.

Also which communist countries had dictators again?

ThereRisesARedStar,

Tbf the hungarian coup was actually connected to an mi6 operation. And the people involved started killing Jewish people and communists, so… t34

ThereRisesARedStar,

This meme is against the initial meme.

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo…

China, North Korea

When?

ThereRisesARedStar,

Always has been. Government taking control of every action of citizens is dictatorship. Theese people have total power of the country

The DPRK and China both don’t have parties that are in any way capable of controlling every action of their citizenry. They both have massive grassroots democratic institutions. Hell, look up whole process peoples democracy and the taean work system.

what

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo… the meme is against all those socialist countries.

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

You claim that the USSR was a dictatorship with socialist aesthetics.

Also, no, no bourgeois democracy is or was as democratic as the USSR. Look up dictatorship of the bourgeoisie vs dictatorship of the proletariat.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Theyre also a small island nation which has survived 60 years of brutal siege and sabotage by the imperial core 70 miles away.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Read this book to stop seeming so silly.

www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/…/imp-hsc/

Also the non Russian SSRs voted to keep the soviet union around at higher rates than the Russians.

ThereRisesARedStar,

MLs bastardization of that in the form of a vanguard party is just a different dictatorship of the bourgeoisie as it creates a ruling class.

Have you read marxist theory? What have you read? This comes off as grossly misinformed.

ThereRisesARedStar,

They historically have aligned with or created fascist movements to oppose communists around the globe. Read the Jakarta method, read about the contras.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Have you read any marx?

ThereRisesARedStar,

yea

ThereRisesARedStar,

Which successful communists aren’t you insulting by comparing to fascists, which again, carries water for fascists

ThereRisesARedStar,

You’re literally just carrying water for fascists, according to Jewish experts on the holocaust.

jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

ThereRisesARedStar,

You literally called some communists fascists. You’re equating them with people who did the holocaust. Which is problematic.

jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

ThereRisesARedStar,
ThereRisesARedStar,

Libya ended in open air slave markets lmao, and you’re citing western sources saying "well they aaked for it

ThereRisesARedStar,
ThereRisesARedStar,

I literally lost ancestors to the holocaust. Stop carrying water for fascists by equating the people who ended the holocaust to them. You’re doing work to trivialize the holocaust, according to literally every prominent Jewish historian who studied the holocaust and has spoken about double genocide theory. This is literally a mainstream position outside of communist circles.

Either learn to prioritize not giving the nazis ammo over your desire to be a mini-mcCarthy or learn what the actual differences between communism and fascism are instead of relying on propaganda that benefits the nazis.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Gaddafi had his problems but sol massively improved under him. Given we back plenty of much worse dictatorships, it wasn’t done for altruistic reasons. It was done because he was giving a cut of the wealth to the masses instead of to neocolonial powers. Incidentally, improving sol and education like Gaddafi was doing tend to trend to democratic transitions over time.

The open air slave markets were a direct result of the intervention. The US backed regime didn’t have a democratic mandate and didn’t have Gaddafi’s entrenched power structures and collapsed.

ThereRisesARedStar,

I am not lying about your words. I am telling you that equating communists and fascists (which you have repeatedly done) is incorrect, and holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream liberal historians, which you could literally look up right now instead of continuing to show your own ass and be incredibly offensive to a communist organizer who lost family to the fucking holocaust.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Is double genocide theory in the room with us now?

Yes, you repeatedly are equating communists with fascists which is the main rhetoric it uses to advance holocaust trivialization, you ass.

How does it justify the defense of ethnic cleansing you’ve engaged in this conversation?

Didn’t you just accuse me of gaslighting?

Lmao.

repackaged Russian fascist propaganda I see coming daily from the tankie community?

You need to open a history book specialized in how fascist systems exist and operate. Russia is literally just a belligerent bourgeois democracy. Putin is beholden to the oligarchs, a word for capitalists with an orientalist connotation. There is not the transition from primarily extracting increases of productivity from abstract surplus labor value to concrete labor value which marks fascism economically.

What “tankie community” lol? There isn’t a unified one. Do you mean us, who generally oppose the war and want a negotiated peace so Ukraine stops losing the war so expensively (in blood of conscripts)?

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Yes, the US which is the largest drone striker in the world and where it is explicitly legal for the president to kill US citizens without trial went in with a moral imperative because of air strikes.

Even if the Spanish sabotaged the USS Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin wasn’t made up, and WMD were in Iraq, the cassi belle are not the structural reasons why the invasions happened. You’re being intentionally credulous because you think US empire benefits you. It doesn’t.

ThereRisesARedStar,

So did you actually read those links lmao? Because if you did you have to acknowledge you were wrong about what you’ve said in this thread and I was mostly correct according to your links.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Yes, that is literally why I brought it up. Is there some subtext to this response I’m missing?

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