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Tedesche,

Jesus, what douchebag AG. Clearly a political move to try to curry conservative votes. No empathy for the actual people involved in the tragedy, just an opportunity to score political points with her base.

As for the actual crime, it’s pretty clear the officer’s rough treatment of the victim contributed to his eventual death. Normally, my sympathy for victims of police brutality drops when it’s clear they resisted arrest, but it does depend on the particulars. I think cops are often too quick to resort to physical force in the U.S. One lesson (among many) we absolutely should take from police forces in Europe is to rely more on words, even if it takes longer.

Tedesche,

People are downvoting you because they’d like to see otherwise, but you’re right. Hell, I’d like to see otherwise, but it’s not gonna happen.

Tedesche,

Not sure we’ll ever find out but…why?

Tedesche, (edited )

How’s about a website that generates money, like Facebook or YouTube? Can you own that?

What about products that designed to create ongoing streams of revenue, like a patent on an invention or a piece of art you can collect royalties from every time it is displayed? The USSR famously took ownership of Tetris away from its creator.

Under communism, how does the stock market work? I’m not a big fan of it, but it’s pretty hard to imagine getting rid of it now that the global economy is pretty much dependent on it.

Today, five countries exist that can be said to be communist: China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba. Of those five, none have achieved actual communism, and several have inarguably embraced capitalism to a great extent. All of them have essentially authoritarian governments. Which is unsurprising, since a dictatorship of the proletariat is central to the Marxist vision of how to create a communist society, and involves the creation of a single-party transitional government that forcibly suppresses all its critics and rivals.

I’m not big into capitalism and I think we should implement plenty of socialist reforms, but I will never understand why some people on the Left—or anyone for that matter—think communism is what we should be striving for.

Tedesche,

Yes, but you choose to work for a company. Don’t pretend that’s the same as the government of the country you happen to be born in taking ownership of your creations. In a capitalist country, had Alexey Pajitnov chosen to develop the game himself, he would have made much more from it. If he had done that in the USSR, he’d still have his creation and all its monetary proceeds taken away from him.

Tedesche,

Give me an example of a communist country that has not resulted in the creation of an authoritarian government.

Tedesche,

There are plenty of governments out there that aren’t authoritarian. What do you mean when you say “the government is threatened by a plurality of citizens?” What is the nature of the threat in question? A democratically-elected government that puts down an armed rebellion from part of its populace doesn’t magically become authoritarian simply because it used forced to maintain its existence in response to a domestic threat.

Tedesche,

You can replace Russia with North Korea if it suits you, I forgot to include that one. Yes, the USSR was communist, while modern day Russia much less so. Doesn’t change my point and doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Tedesche,

You point out one quasi-mistake I made and all of a sudden my entire position is false and based on ignorance of how the world functions?

People like you are what make the internet a shitty place to be sometimes.

Tedesche,

Not going to waste my time with someone who has such absolutist views untethered to reality.

Tedesche,

As I said, not a fan of it, but the global economy is pretty entrenched in it. Can’t just get rid of it cold turkey style.

Tedesche,

I love her, but is it true love to love someone as a mother if they aren’t your biological mother?

Do you think a child that was adopted, but never told it was adopted, would love its parents any less than children of biological parents?

No, they wouldn’t. Because emotions are not in any way influenced by our “blood relations.” If that actually influenced love, there would be far fewer shitty parents in the world.

Tedesche,

It starts with “huh those are some interesting ideas” and before you know it you’ll be screaming about vaccines and praying for Trump to make a comeback.

Oh, please, stop. Telling people not to expose themselves to certain bits of information or perspectives is just another form of bigotry. I read two of Ayn Rand’s books, because her ideas were new and fascinating to me. That didn’t turn me into a libertarian or stop me from seeing the flaws in her ideology. But I am now more educated and less likely to be influenced by libertarian arguments as a result.

Try having discussions with people who you feel have the wrong ideas about things rather than telling them to avoid “wrongthinkers” altogether.

Tedesche,

Interesting clip, but I think Murray’s analysis of the Left is pretty flawed. He focuses on the Left’s support for affirmative action—and there’s perhaps some good criticism to be made of that, but it’s not in this video—but conveniently doesn’t mention the fact that the Right isn’t doing jack shit to solve the problem of societal inequality. They shoot down Leftist ideas, but offer no alternatives. That’s why they’ve been gradually losing on all these equality fronts and the culture war in general.

Tedesche,

I said that YouTube’s algorithm will start flooding your feed with progressively more extreme and misinformative content.

That is absolutely not what you wrote and I don’t believe it’s what you meant either.

Tedesche,

Well, he appears to be alive. That’s more than I expected of him.

Tedesche,

Kill every insect within 10 yards of me with a thought.

Tedesche,

Okay, so he’ll be indicted in D.C., which means he’ll have to run with that shadow looming over him, but how dark of a shadow is it really? He didn’t participate in the riot, didn’t give any specific orders to the rioters to riot, much less invade the Capitol building. His actual words were vague enough that I’m not seeing how this case stands any chance of an actual conviction. And if the trial actually ends up happening before Election Day next year, his acquittal will actually wind up helping him, no?

Tedesche,

I’m not arguing Trump didn’t encourage people to riot and yes, I know he knew full well what was likely to happen and did nothing to stop it. But I’m used to evidence in legal cases needing to be pretty watertight to obtain a conviction (a very good aspect of our legal system, btw). I just don’t see how a conviction is likely, despite how obvious his guilt is from a “common sense” standpoint.

Tedesche,

I did and I’m not arguing he’s actually innocent. I’m arguing that I’m not aware of any evidence that would meet the standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a criminal legal proceeding. What evidence is there that you think is watertight enough to win a conviction?

Tedesche,

But Trump can still run, even if he’s indicted (which he already is). None of this—not even a conviction or jail time—will prevent him from running. He can still be elected even if he’s serving time in prison. It’s the most asinine fact about our political/legal system, but it’s true.

Tedesche,

I understand all that and don’t disagree with it. It’s just my impression of our legal system that you have to prove the defendant actually did the specific thing you’re charging them with, and I think Trump has been smart enough to walk just up to the line, but refrain from putting his toe on it. No matter how obvious it is that he wanted what happened on J6 to occur, the prosecution would have to prove he actually had a hand in making it happen. And not just indirectly, but directly. It sucks, but this is how corrupt CEOs get away with illegal shit all the fucking time: they make sure there’s no actual evidence they had a direct hand in their crimes. Trump is very good at this. He uses his rhetoric to make tongue-in-cheek gestures that his radical supporters understand as orders, but which aren’t explicitly orders. My admittedly non-expert understanding of our legal system is that this makes convicting him very difficult.

Now, the Georgia case is much more watertight, from what I can tell, and I really hope they nail him to the wall with that one. I just don’t think the evidence is quite there for J6. Which is too bad. I’d love to see him go to prison over that. But I don’t think he will.

Tedesche,

Beat me to it. This is exactly what I think will happen.

Tedesche,

This is probably just the first instance of such a thing that has made it to my news feed, but the idea that there has now been a brazenly open Nazi rally on American soil in 21st century is horrifying. This is our 1933 moment, the moment wherein it can happen here. This could be the beginning pages of the worst chapter in American history, and possibly the world.

I really hope I’m wrong and it’s just the shock making me paranoid and overreactive. I really hope we shut this down as a nation and that conservatives are a part of that effort, because we need them to be.

Damn, this country is so fucked…

Tedesche,

Lemmy needs an artisanal videos sub.

Tedesche,

As usual, the conservative chimes in with a comment utterly ignorant of the issues at hand.

The constitution has nothing to do with this; it’s about ethics violations. Educate yourself.

Tedesche,

Damnit, now I wish lurking came intrinsically with boba.

Tedesche,

Relevant fact for those who don’t know: after roughly 72 hours without sleep, you will start hallucinating, which is a symptom of psychosis.

Tedesche,

Well, that’s a good question; I’m not enough of a sleep expert to know, but it’s possible the 2 hours of sleep could stave off the effects of insomnia for some time or they might actually stave them off for a full 24 hours more. A standard sleep cycle is roughly 90 minutes long, and there’s some evidence to indicate that the raw amount of sleep in hours isn’t actually that important for the purposes of restoring the brain’s ability to function properly; some data indicates that the grogginess we feel when waking up sometimes has more to do with our sleep being interrupted during a sleep cycle as opposed to at the end of one. So, theoretically, it’s possible a sleep-deprived person might feel quite refreshed after just two hours of sleep. But again, I’m no expert.

Tedesche,

Cute, and forgive me for getting serious in a humor thread, but I can’t stand how the term “incel” has come to functionally mean “any guy who exhibits entitlement towards women.” I’m not blaming OP for this nor really anyone else, it’s just a disappointing thing that’s happened in society IMO. Incel started as a term for men who felt depressed about being unable to find a female partner, and the subreddit they created was originally a supportive space for them. Then it got taken over by angry misogynists and the term became associated with them, while the original group just kind of got forgotten about. That original group deserves attention and empathy as well as the term they coined; the latter group isn’t even “involuntarily celibate,” as they play a very big role in their own celibacy.

Anyway, sorry for ruining the mood if I have, I just think more people should give some thought to who that term originally belonged to.

Tedesche,

Indeed, sad but true.

Tedesche,

That would certainly be interesting if that’s actually the case! I visited the subreddit a long time ago out of curiosity and all the posts I saw were straight men complaining about not being able to get a girlfriend, so I dunno, but maybe. There’s certainly no reason the term can’t be used for someone regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

Tedesche,

Interesting. Thanks for the history lesson. I have a hard time believing that all of even just most of the men that initially joined her group had “concerning views” if that’s meant to refer to the misogyny we see in those most associated with the term today, but I do know that plenty of the posters I saw on the subreddit years ago when I visited were not of that ilk.

I’m not sure I agree with you though about how the term should be used. I see your point, but I think if the term was originally coined to represent people who were genuinely suffering from external circumstances that put them in the position they’re in, it should remain for them and not those who sabotage themselves via their own toxic behavior. Even if this Alana you mentioned feels otherwise, I still stand by that. People who feel entitled to sex from the people they’re attracted to are not celibate involuntarily in the same way that people who aren’t that way are. One group deserves empathy and compassion; the other deserves scorn and derision. I don’t think it’s productive or fair to the former group to use the same term for both.

Tedesche,

It makes no sense now to act like it still has the old meaning

I mean, yes, there’s no sense in refusing to acknowledge the present association, but the meanings of words can change, and it isn’t impossible for the term ‘incel’ to return to it’s former meaning if enough people are made aware of its history.

Tedesche,

It is not surprising that a community that associates and labels itself with a negative aspect of themselves would devolve into an irrational and hateful space.

So, a community about depression or addiction is doomed to devolve into irrational hatred? I don’t think I follow your logic here.

“Involuntary” means against one’s will, which in this context implies an entitlement to sex.

??? I definitely don’t see how “involuntary” implies entitlement. It just means you want it, but for one reason or another haven’t been able to get it. Entitlement reflects the attitude that you deserve it, which I don’t think the term implies.

As for your characterization of the group, when I visited the subreddit years ago, I saw posts from men complaining about overwhelming anxiety stopping them from approaching women they were attracted to, feelings of low self-esteem or body/facial image issues, and even disabled men trying to contend with how their disabilities limited their options. You’re probably right about some of them, but definitely not all of them.

Tedesche,

If I upload my mind to a Mac, do I become more digitally beautiful than PC digi-people, but far less cognitively flexible?

(BTW, please don’t flame me for hating on Macs, I used Macs for most of my life, it’s just a joke.)

Tedesche,

LOL, indeed, but would I also enjoy better digital health, because most viruses and malware are designed for PC digi-people? 😆

Tedesche,

That’s called “being antisocial” and it’s absolute bliss.

Tedesche,

That’s not “mildly infuriating,” that’s straight-up scary. Call the cops.

Tedesche,

The issue of police brutality and how it disproportionately affects racial minorities is extremely complicated. I’ve known BLM supporters and BlueLM folks and they’re all different from each other, not just different due to the causes they support. Do you think BLM supporters are all hyper-liberal communists? I would hope not. So, stop applying blanket stereotypes to people who support one end of a complex issue simply because you support the other.

Tedesche,

Oh, wait, just checked your username. You’re an idiot anarchist. Nevermind…

Tedesche,

LOL, you really can’t see how much of a hypocrite you’re being, can you? Fine, not going to bother.

Tedesche,

I suspect this decision is the result of some complex political calculus that determined a decisive win for Ukraine against Russia is better for America politically, even with a humanitarian concern like this, than that Ukraine’s counteroffensive fail.

It’s like that line from Avatar: “Killing the indigenous looks bad, but you know what looks worse? A bad quarterly statement.”

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  • Tedesche,

    Ah. Okay, thanks for the explanation. Still not sure I quite get the humor involved, but whatevs.

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