@nous I figure a judge wouldn't count prompts because they are basically commissions. If you commission an artist to create a piece for you, it's still their piece. If a corporation commissions the artist to create the piece, they can own it as work-for-hire, which is EXACTLY what Thaler was trying to claim in this case, but they aren't the creator.
If you can replace "AI" with "Professional Artist" and you wouldn't be eligible for your amount of input, then it's not copyrightable.
That's thing, though. That's the question the court is answering. It says that the closest human is STILL NOT CLOSE ENOUGH if they aren't doing the same level of control and work as a human would be doing if they gave them the prompt.
If you use an AI as just another tool, that's one thing. But just giving a prompt is NOT creating art.
Well, computer forensics IS a thing. Computers keep a record of everything done on them, and if it comes down to a lot of money at stake and a lawsuit then those computers can be looked at.
Yeah, but detectability isn't a new question, is it? It's just a twist on the old question of "Did someone else create it other than the guy who claimed it?"
Bad take aside, It's frustrating the upvotes and downvotes I get on kbin don't match up to how they appear on lemmy, or hell, even other instances of kbin....
@liztliss My personal theory is that they know we aren't a cat like them, but they figure we think the same way they do and that most everyone shows affection and communicates like a cat. I could be wrong, but it seems to fit.
“If we suddenly kicked out all of the people here, the undocumented, our dairy farms would collapse,” one lawmaker said. “We have to come up with a solution.”
The solution: Amnesty and citizenship. Screw this "Everyone must suffer trying to be here." They wanna be here. There are jobs for them. Just swear them in and forget all this bullshit.
So one thing you have to remember about Hawaii is that Hawaii didn't CHOOSE to become part of the US. The US seized the place and forced the Queen to sign some paperwork turning the country over to them. And now a bunch of people from the country that took over your country come every year to party it up, even if there's been a disaster that killed a bunch of native Hawaiians.
This is why a lot of native Hawaiians have a big problem with tourists not just now, but ALL of the time. And if you say their economy is getting uplifted by tourism you will get an EARFUL about how foreign companies are what's actually reaping the rewards of that tourism, and that the land on the island is too expensive for natives to buy BECAUSE of the tourist industry snapping it up and how they'd basically rather be poor than occupied by a party industry that encourages outsiders to come down, treat people like servants and trash the place.
Now I can't do anything to solve this and neither can any of you. Just give them a break, guys. It's not easy to live in another man's paradise.
@Reva "Hey, should we use this statistical model that imitates language to replace my helpdesk personnel?" is an ethical question because bosses don't listen when you outright tell them that's a stupid idea.
@SCB The Luddites were not upset about progress, they were upset that the people they had worked their whole lives for were kicking them to the street without a thought. So they destroyed the machines in protest.
It's not weird, it's not just a trend, and it's actually more in touch with the reality of employer-employee relations than the idea that these LLMs are ready for primetime.
@Gsus4 We'll get a neat toy out of it and hopefully some laws around the use of that neat toy in entertainment that protect creative workers. Also we'll have learned some new things about what can be done with computers.
This weekend my aunt got a room at a ery expensive motel, and was delighted by the fact that a robot delivered amenities to her room. And at breakfast we had an argument about whether or not it saved the hotel money to us the robot instead of a person.
But the bottom line is that the robot was only in use at an extremely expensive hotel and is not commonly seen at cheap hotels. So the robot is a pretty expensive investment, even if it saves money in the long run.
Public schools are NEVER going to make an investment as expensive as an AI teacher, it doesn't matter how advanced the things get. Besides, their teachers are union. I will give you that rich private schools might try it.
@new_acct_who_dis Yeah, but that wouldn't hurt as much because all the people out of work would still have healthcare.
AI displaced creatives will lose their healthcare.
Now if we passed healthcare, and THEN started replacing people with AI? That would make things considerably less dire for the future. But only one of those is happening and it's AI alone, because the rich do not care about other people.
@Freesoftwareenjoyer interesting you mention stopping burning coal. Because mining and burning coal is bad for the environment.
Guess what else is bad for the environment? Huge datacenters supporting AI. They go through electricity and water and materials at the same rates as bitcoin mining.
A human being writing stuff only uses as much energy as a human being doing just about anything else, though.
So yes, while ending coal would cost some miners jobs, the net gain is worth it. But adopting AI in standard practice in the entertainment industry does not have the same gains. It can't offset the human misery caused by the job loss.
@SCB The Luddites gave way to Unions, which yes were more effective and gave us a LOT of good things like the 8 hour work week, weekends, and vacations. Technology alone did not give us that. Technology applied as bosses and barons wanted did not give us that. Collective action did that. And collective action has evolved along a timeline that INCLUDES sabotaging technology.
Things like the SAGAFTRA/WGA strike are what's going to get us good results from the adoption of AI. Until then, the AI is just a tool in the hands of the rich to control labor.
@Freesoftwareenjoyer Anyone could create art before. Anyone could edit photos. And with practice, they could become good. Artists aren't some special class of people born to draw, they are people who have honed their skills.
And for people who didn't want to hone their skills, they could pay for art. You could argue that's a change but AI is not gonna be free forever, and you'll probably end up paying in the near future to generate that art. Which, be honest, is VERY different from "making art." You input a direction and something else made it, which isn't that different from just getting a friend to draw it.
@Freesoftwareenjoyer Gaming isn't as bad as cryptomining farms and the stuff required by an AI server, man. You need to go look up some of the load on this stuff.
And you still haven't gotten back to me on how AI improves society. People too lazy to learn to draw can say they drew something they actually didn't? That's not improvement.
Here's another perspective on Prosecraft being taken offline. It goes into the actual use case of the program, and it is indicative about what AI makers are getting wrong about making art.
I do understand why so many people, especially creative folks, are worried about AI and how it’s used. The future is quite unknown, and things are changing very rapidly, at a pace that can feel out…
So THIS is the article that has all those writers on Bluesky ranting.
For me, I don't see HOW this is a useful tool at all. It's.. a word counter. It counts the number of times you use a word. Someone had a screencap of his "vividness" rankings on words, and it had placed "wintery" at a higher score than "permafrost." Why? How does it know that one word is more vivid than the other? what's the standard here? This sort of thing is very subjective.
And he starts with Vonnegut's shape of stories, but an LLM can't recognize rising and falling action so how could it do such a comparison?
Honestly, the WHOLE thing sounds like he's trying to create a formula for good writing, and you can't pin down good writing like that.
This is not a useful tool. It's a tool that will get people caught in the weeds like they do with narrative outlines like the Hero's Journey and lists of tropes. It will churn out a bunch of writers people don't like who can't understand why they don't catch on when they are following all the rules.
@jrburkh Thing is, you can't just tell a guy who's trying to scrape together enough for food that "We need to change the paradigm of our economic system." That's not a thing that can be done quickly or effectively right now, and writers need to protect their income NOW. The only thing that can be done is for them to aggressively protect their rights while lobbying the governments so they don't die while waiting for reform.
@zoe I think that's the most important topic. I mean, it would be one thing if this was an experimental thing that was only being used as a way to explore programming options, but there's guys out there pushing for this to replace all sorts of writing and communication. They're selling Lifelike Lie Machines as writers. That is going to hurt people.
The problem here is that people want a service and businesses want a product. The "free-rider" period is businesses masquerading as a service in order to accumulate a product: Us.
Because that is what they are selling. Our writing and our thoughts and our interactions. They are selling them to advertisers, to AI developers, and in the case of membership communities they are selling us to each other. But make no mistake, they are selling US.
The problem with the enschittification model is not that "it's from the point of view of a freeloader err, free-rider" but that "it applies to a poor business model." It can only be solved when the business model changes, when userbase is no longer a product, or consumers AND a product, but are treated as the recipients of a service and members of a community. Right now only the Fediverse model does that.
What's really killing the business end of this is the rot economy. Vampire capital keeps throwing money at companies that present their userbase as a product. The vampires want a profit, and they are told that the profit will come from a largue userbase creating user-created content. So they lure the product to the company by presenting it as a service, and then pull the rug out so that they can monetize the userbase and get endless growth. Things get progressively worse as they try to min/max the business: minimizing the costs and maximizing the revenue by rent-seeking from the users. Then the users, the PRODUCT, up and leave.
Enschittification is happening because companies see users as their product, their source of content, and their source of revenue all at the same time but have presented their business to the users as a service.
Their business model needs to radically change. And social media needs to shift to governments and non-profits providing it.
@masterspace All right, so I was interested in the statistic so I looked it up and 20% of Americans are at Level 1 literacy or below according to Wikipedia... which means that actually a lower number than that is functionally illiterate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States
Stalking your past convos? No. I saw you were from lemmy.ca and therefore Canadian. Then I did a search for the 20 percent statistic and of course Wikipedia came up.
I don't feel bad. I know our school system sucks because of a lot of systemic problems. I do think your education is not as great as you think it is if you simplify the 20% statistic to full illiteracy and if you think a random person on kbin needs to set up a new public school system before she can have an opinion.
That's before we unpack the idea that literacy=intelligence, which is not always the case.
I do feel a bit bad about the stalking accusation. I didn't realize the ability to see your server in the automatic kbin reply setup combined with the esoteric knowledge of how to use Duck Duck Go would frighten you, Mr Better Educated Than Me. We can stop if this is too much for your heart. This weather can be tough on the body and I know you guys aren't well-versed in heat safety.
@masterspace And there we get to why I'm such a brittle American. See, the immense privilege of the powerful in our country, our military prowess, and the export of the my of American exceptionalism have CONVINCED a lot of people across the world that if they bash Americans it is punching up.
It's not. See, we do HAVE a bad public school system and the richest in our country have spent 40 years sabotaging it in some scheme to fund private schooling. Not only that, school funding is partly by federal and state funding--which is sabotaged by those bastards--but MOSTLY by local taxes so the people in the rich areas get the good schooling with arts, extracurricular activities, foreign language studies and a pool while the people in the poor areas get a whiteboard, an untrained Army veteran as a teacher, and the requirement to buy their own school supplies.
As Americans we have to fight constantly against this sabotage, WHILE working full-time jobs with greater hours and fewer benefits than any other Western country just so we can afford to go to a doctor--as we are called by not just the privileged in our country but the entire WORLD lazy, stupid, complacent and undeserving.
So when you make fun of the average American and call them stupid because their public school system which they need to fix before they complain about people making fun of them? You're punching down.
Meanwhile, you accuse me of punching down but I have spent this thread mocking you for living in a country with a vast abundance of natural resources and wildlife, and living in a country where it's common to ACTUALLY learn a second language rather than learn some grammar rules and tick off boxes, which as I say above, is a privilege in the US afforded to the better schooling that you get by virtue of living in a rich area.
Now, if you'd say Americans are stupid because we invaded the wrong country... Well, then you'd be punching up. But instead you're making fun of something that we are actually at a disadvantage in.
@masterspace Yeah, but YOU are the one who brought public school into it and you did it in a clever little jokey way.
If you had said "Well, that's what you get for attacking the wrong country", it would be one thing. But you went and made fun of the public school system. You punched down. And now, for your sins, you are stuck in this conversation.
I'd hate to see how you'd react to an actual temper tantrum.
No, man. You're mocking people who don't have access to a high standard of learning. You're trying to rationalize that away so that you don't have to feel bad about it.
Viewers are divided over whether the film should have shown Japanese victims of the weapon created by physicist Robert Oppenheimer. Experts say it's complicated.
@Fazoo Your comment is just "The Rape of Nanking." You were commenting in response to me not wishing to comment on Japanese War Crimes. Yes, I've heard of it. Yes, I had to look up the details.
My original point was that it didn't matter what a country's government had done before when weighing the morality of dropping an atomic bomb on a city, and because I don't know details about Japan I used Britain as an example because I can list off colonization sins by the British Empire. Your response implied that I should specifically address Japan and Nanking. I did. I clarified to you that the US dropping an atomic bomb on a city had fuck-all to do with Nanking, so Nanking has nothing to do with the conversation at hand--the morality of the US dropping a bomb on an atomic city. Then I told you that war crimes in retaliation are still war crimes even if it had.
If you meant something else... What was it? That I had to be qualified to comment on Nanking? I'm actually not, because I didn't know the details until I looked it up on Wikipedia.
Everything Made By an AI Is In the Public Domain (doctorow.medium.com)
The US Copyright Office offers creative workers a powerful labor protective.
AI-Created Art Isn’t Copyrightable, Judge Says in Ruling That Could Give Hollywood Studios Pause (www.hollywoodreporter.com)
A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection....
Which is it kbin?
Bad take aside, It's frustrating the upvotes and downvotes I get on kbin don't match up to how they appear on lemmy, or hell, even other instances of kbin....
Best. Cat. Ever. (lemmy.ml)
Why Some Wisconsin Lawmakers and Local Officials Have Changed Their Minds About Letting Undocumented Immigrants Drive (www.propublica.org)
“If we suddenly kicked out all of the people here, the undocumented, our dairy farms would collapse,” one lawmaker said. “We have to come up with a solution.”
Hawaii fires: 'Tourists swim in the waters we died in' (www.bbc.com)
The jarring contrast between those holidaying and those hurting is hard to bear for many in Hawaii.
AI Is Starting to Look Like the Dot Com Bubble (futurism.com)
As the AI market continues to balloon, experts are warning that its VC-driven rise is eerily similar to that of the dot com bubble.
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What Algorithms Can't Tell You about Art: On Prosecraft and why data analysis of fiction rarely says anything at all. (countercraft.substack.com)
Here's another perspective on Prosecraft being taken offline. It goes into the actual use case of the program, and it is indicative about what AI makers are getting wrong about making art.
The Fear Of AI Just Killed A Very Useful Tool (www.techdirt.com)
I do understand why so many people, especially creative folks, are worried about AI and how it’s used. The future is quite unknown, and things are changing very rapidly, at a pace that can feel out…
Students banned from using nicknames under new anti-trans Florida schools guidance (www.thepinknews.com)
The Orange County Public Schools system in Florida has announced guidance banning trans students from bathrooms and the use of nicknames.
“AI” Hurts Consumers and Workers -- and Isn’t Intelligent (techpolicy.press)
Researchers Alex Hanna and Emily M. Bender call on businesses not to succumb to this artificial “intelligence” hype.
The enshittification of “enshittification” (blog.bloonface.com)
The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot (www.eurogamer.net)
The executive producer on Netflix's The Witcher has blamed American audiences and social media sites such as TikTok for…
'Oppenheimer' draws debate over the absence of Japanese bombing victims in the film (www.nbcnews.com)
Viewers are divided over whether the film should have shown Japanese victims of the weapon created by physicist Robert Oppenheimer. Experts say it's complicated.