@Jobob@mastodon.me.uk

Jobob_80 on twitter. I'm a data scientist and physicist with an interest in art.
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Uair, to actuallyautistic
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@actuallyautistic

Question: How do I simply let people prioritize their denial mechanism over their survival?

I'm too warmhearted and have a problem with that, but I am a strong believer in freedom. It's too late to save the biosphere so I might as well stop tilting at windmills and simply encourage everyone to stick their head in the sand whatever way works for them.

This is not a troll. I do need help with this stuff.

Jobob,
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@Uair @actuallyautistic it's not too late to save the biosphere as long as we have a biosphere, and while we need to make more progress that doesn't mean we haven't made any progress. There's hope yet.
But to answer your question, I find the phrase "pick your battles" helpful. It's not your job to fix everyone and you couldn't if you wanted to. Most of the time people argue to be right, not to learn, and you aren't required to play that game.

theautisticcoach, to actuallyautistic
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What does the term “unmasking” mean to my #ActuallyAutistic comrades?

#AskingAutistics @actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic I am really finding it difficult to know, but for me I think doing less, doing it more slowly, and not forcing myself on to the next task before I'm ready because 'that's what is expected', and learning to really just like what I like are two key ways I haven't been serving myself.

Dr_Obvious, to actuallyautistic German
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@actuallyautistic @audhd
With respect to and and there is often the question, whether one is oriented on small details or the broader picture.

Generally I am on the small details side. But I saw a post about systems thinking today. When it comes to technical problems like software, data flow or a scientific hypothesis, I have the feeling I have everything simultaneously in my mind. All the small details, but all at once.

Jobob,
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@Dr_Obvious @marytzu @actuallyautistic @audhd nods I used to think I was just "disloyal" at hobbies until I realised that what I was doing, and enjoying, was gaining a level of understanding about how something, or some system, worked. Once I knew that to a sufficient level I didn't feel as much of a need to continue.
It's also why I come back to hobbies later, when I realise there's some other part of the system I haven't seen yet.

poloniousmonk, to actuallyautistic
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Can anyone help me with two linked probs? I'm catch-22'd.

  1. I'm stuck in a dissociative trauma response, and can't function in hated isolation. I can come down out of my head for intelligent conversation, sex, and life-threatening emergencies. Otherwise, I just loop unexpressed words. I've been mostly-to-totally isolated my whole life, and fully isolated for about the last ten years. Isolation is painful and makes the disassociation worse.
Jobob,
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@poloniousmonk @actuallyautistic I'm sorry to hear that, it sounds really tough. I'm not sure if I have anything that can help, although I can probably talk about the job interview process at least here in the UK.
But it doesn't sound like you want a job exactly, more like you want connection. I wonder if something like an adult short course at a college or maybe events at a local library might help? At least they'd offer a shared intellectual experience with no initial social pressure?

dave, to actuallyautistic
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@actuallyautistic What are your thoughts on physical activity?

More specifically, do you find that it drains your energy more than most people? That you can't push yourself as hard as others? Or, put another way, that you need more rest and recovery time than most people?

Almost two years ago, I tried Couch to 5K. I made it to week five, then burned out and stopped because it so thoroughly drained every bit of energy I had.

I remember being so puzzled and confused about it. I remember thinking, what's wrong with me? I'm eating well. I'm eating enough. I'm getting enough sleep. I'm resting on my off days. I'm not extraordinarily out of shape and I was keeping up with the program well enough until the fifth week.

In retrospect, I'm wondering if it was an Autistic energy management problem, and I'm curious about others' experiences with C25K and other physical activity programs.

#ActuallyAutistic

Jobob,
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@dave @actuallyautistic I did couch to 5k last year, and I was able to complete it. I think that exercise is a bit of a neutral activity for me: takes work to get going but I do feel better when it's done, even if I don't get a "buzz" from it. I have noticed that it's hard for me to fit in because I don't really compromise - it's not just the run, it's getting changed and warming up and cooling down and stretching. So it takes a fair amount of my day. NTs don't seem to stress about that; I do.

theautisticcoach, to actuallyautistic
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Are "professional standards of behavior" a universal thing (amongst the discussed culture & society) or are they just arbitrary Neurotypical rules used to project power?

#AskingAutistics @actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic honestly think that actually codifying expectations is a massive help. I've been leaning on this as a coping strategy much of my professional life.

Jobob,
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@Georgy @theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic yes, there are a few aspects to it
Firstly, there's a broad agreement within a culture of what professional dress, language and behaviour looks like, which is helpful for things like changing jobs or attending events - one set of shared expectations.
Secondly, there are policies that may be explicit or implicit but which can be used to access support (line manager, union rep, or HR, for instance). These are good for eg disagreements.

Jobob,
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@Georgy @theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic That means that when you are out of your depth or you're not sure what the "correct" action is, you have some options for gaining clarity.
But I think the key one for me has been that I get to be quite direct at work, although I do have to moderate my tone. If I need clarification, professionalism says I can request it as long as I'm polite and respectful of the other person's time. If I need detail I can set up a conversation for that.

Susan60, to actuallyautistic
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Okay, challenge. I can play basic computer games like Tetris for ages, but give me an audio only pod cast, & my mind wanders off. I’m about to listen to another Newsreader podcast, which I love, but it’s a struggle. Any hints? @actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@Susan60 @actuallyautistic I only do audio books or podcasts if I'm busying myself with something else - going for a walk is favourite, but some types of housework are good too. I can't just sit and listen either.

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Jobob,
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@roryreckons @actuallyautistic @PossiblyAutistic I have been doing this with "do you dislike change" for about four weeks now. It's like, everyone dislikes change, there are whole corporate courses for allistics about how to cope with change, so what is it the questioner thinks makes a dislike of change into an "autistic" dislike of change? Is it about the external reaction? The type of change being considered? That society has deemed this particular change trivial?
Still haven't figured it out.

JeremyMallin, to actuallyautistic
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How many fellow Autistics have never lied on a job application, never lied on a CV, never lied on tax forms? 🙋‍♂️

Is doing that expected? Is it required? Is not doing that handicapping us? Do you too feel almost unable to do that?

#AskingAutistics
#ActuallyAutistic
@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@JeremyMallin @actuallyautistic Yeah, never lied, can't lie. Once lost a job because I was a little over-the-top in the interview making sure I mentioned the one part of the job description I wasn't 100% confident about.
As to whether it's a disadvantage, I'm not sure it is. For skills that are relevant to the job role they should be testing claims anyway, and for other skills does it really matter?
I do know people are already using chatGPT on job applications though...

Jobob,
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@JeremyMallin @actuallyautistic technically I can lie, what I'm massively uncomfortable with is deception. It's the difference between saying "Actually both my ears have been replaced with tomatoes", which no one will reasonably believe, and actually saying something plausible but untrue.
I absolutely had to return and clarify that too 😂

CynAq, to actuallyautistic
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I remember a weird polemic I got into at kindergarten. This is late eighties.

I was already reading at a... I don't know what level. I never understood what "reading levels" were anyway, I mean, if I can read, I can read, right?

Well... Turns out none of the other kids apparently were able to read, at least not openly, and reading was actively discouraged by the staff there. There was a storybook hour where everyone picked a story book with illustrations and PRETENDED to read.

I found out when the teacher lady noticed I was actually reading the thing and pulled it away from me, telling me I wasn't supposed to actually read the book with, you know, words printed on it. The justification was "if you read now and get good at it, you'll have a terrible time being bored in first grade when all the other kids are still trying to learn."

Lady, I don't think you understand how reading works. I can't UNLEARN how to read once I learned it.

This is still within my top five unfathomable school experiences.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@roknrol @CynAq @actuallyautistic a dozen times seems excessive and a little unkind, to be honest. It doesn't seem reasonable to keep applying the same technique that many times when it clearly isn't working.
I would have thought twice, maximum, especially if there's a risk the person might be teased or feel inadequate.

AutisticAdam, to actuallyautistic
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Autistic people are often attracted to one particular line in a song and will sing that one line aloud or in their brain for days, possibly in the singer’s accent. This may be considered a form of stimming, as well as a form of echolalia.

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Jobob,
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@CynAq @AutisticAdam @actuallyautistic I have a rather surprisingly large collection of songs that I know end-to-end and singing them through has been one of my most consistent ways of stimming as far back as I can remember. Not that I knew I was stimming for most of that, of course.

dave, to actuallyautistic
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@actuallyautistic

Late-dxed/IDed friends:

Once you realized you were autistic, did you encounter overwhelming and overloading situations that you remembered "dealing" with much better before you learned you were autistic? Like learning you were autistic somehow changed how you processed these kinds of situations?

I'd love to (and frankly, need to) hear your stories. Please share if you're comfortable 💚🙏

Jobob,
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@IzabelaKaramia @dave @actuallyautistic I think that's what I have been doing - very strongly internalising any discomfort so other people don't have to deal with it. As I work on actually feeling and responding to myself in the moment, there's the flip side that I am just more sensitive to the things I used to actively and fiercely ignore...

thequirkybraincoach, to actuallyautistic
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I had a powerful realisation about why I need to lean more into my authentic self this week.

Some of you will be aware that two of my deep interests in coaching psychology are the qualities of zest and self-regulation.

Zest relates to your motivation, energy, mojo, "vim and vigour", and a feeling of alive-ness.

Self-regulation is all about the structures, habits, principles and self-care practices you put into place in your life to feel more balanaced and settled in yourself.

A third interest is demonstrating in both theory and practice that the latter creates the former.

That is to say, if you regulate yourself, it can boost your zest.
It doesn't seem like rocket science when I put it like that, but I am the only coaching psychologist currently to say this explicitly and to be developing a theoretical framework on this - and one that can be useful and inclusive in coaching people like us.

But what I've been doing is hiding this.

I have been too scared that people won't be interested or won't find this information valuable.

As such, I've not been sharing my ideas with you - the very people they could help - to the fullest extent.

I've also had an emotional block around actually producing and publishing my research, and around writing a book - something I have always wanted to do but have not yet put into action.

Thanks to a powerful coaching conversation of my own at the weekend, I have decided to draw a line in the sand and stop hiding my autistic research interests for fear of what others will think.

I will be more authentic and, as a result, happier for being and expressing my true self more. On balance, as long as it is safe to do so, we feel better in our skin when our insides match our public outsides. Currently, this is not true for me - I am hiding parts of myself that are important to me, and it's holding me back as a researcher and a coach.

So what this all means for you lovely people on a practical level is that I'll be talking and writing much more about zest, self-regulation, and the connection between the two.

If you're low on energy and motivation, and feel this would be of interest to you, I'd love to hear below...it'll give me a sense that there are people who will benefit from more honest and open sharing of the research I do.

Over the coming months, you'll see me change my branding messages, newsletters, and blog posts to reflect more content on the topics of zest and self-regulation for neurodivergent people...and how we can foster these safely and accessibly in coaching work.

It starts today. I'm drawing the line in the sand.

Wish me luck and continued bravery on this journey! And let me know if this special focus might be of use to you!

Becci (The Neurodivergent Zest and Self-Regulation Coach...wow, I've actually said it!)

#ADHD #Autism #AuDHD #Neurodivergent #Coaching #CoachingPsychology #Zest #SelfRegulation @actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@thequirkybraincoach @actuallyautistic that's such an interesting approach, I'd love to hear more about it. I have been very much lacking zest for a while now, even though I'm good at self care structures. My theory is that the self care is necessary but not sufficient for zest. To feel truly zestful I'd need to be far more selfish with my time, and there just isn't space for that.

AutisticAdam, to actuallyautistic
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Sorry I can’t come to the phone right now. I’m autistic and simply not good at calls. Please call back literally never. Texts and emails exist for a reason.

Thank you.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@whyarewe @AutisticAdam @actuallyautistic I keep meaning to change my voicemail message to something like "hey, sorry this is voicemail and I honestly never check it. Why not send me a text instead?"
Ironically dialling voicemail stresses me out too much to make the change!

theautisticcoach, to actuallyautistic
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How do my comrades understand the term "regulation"?

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic as the actions you have to take to restore or maintain a sense of balance.

JeremyMallin, to actuallyautistic
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Are there any Autistics who do not have any auditory sensory issues at all? I've found plenty with different auditory triggers than I have—some times even seemingly opposite to mine.

The construction equipment working in this grocery store parking lot is emitting a high decibel low frequency bass that is killing me while I'm waiting for my pickup order.

#AcutuallyAutistic
@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@JeremyMallin @actuallyautistic mine are more or less manageable until I get tired enough and then it's just everything.

AutisticAdam, to actuallyautistic
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A big part of being autistic for me is being very intentional with my word choices in order to say what I mean and mean what I say.

To follow that up I then start having a bunch of people claim I said something I absolutely did not because they chose to add additional meanings they made up themselves.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@AutisticAdam @actuallyautistic There's a line in Alice in Wonderland where a character says "you might just as well say that 'I say what I mean' is the same as 'I mean what I say'". I have always struggled with that one: to me surely if you say something either you mean it or you don't? But to nts apparently it's very obvious that the two can be different.

Jobob,
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@nddev @actuallyautistic @AutisticAdam That's a good distinction, I hadn't thought about it that way.
In my musings I came up with another theory, which is that if you don't mean what you say it's because you're not thinking before you talk, whereas if you don't say what you mean you may be lying or intentionally misleading.
Sadly the nt I asked simply laughed and changed the subject, so I'm basically chalking that up to "well if it isn't obvious I'm not going to tell you".

independentpen, to actuallyautistic
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Hey @actuallyautistic how do you pace yourself at an office job? I've been contracting for years but as of this week I'm an employee. My style of work is all or nothing, but I sense that isn't going to be sustainable in this context, and I suspect the allistics aren't working like that either anyway. How do you reset or recharge throughout the workday? How do you know if you're doing "enough" versus overperforming? How do you take care of yourself in socially sanctioned ways?

Jobob,
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@independentpen @actuallyautistic I am totally reinventing my life just now for the "probably autistic" thing, so although I have had office jobs for years I'm still figuring that out. Best advice, get the work done and be available for messages during work hours and if you're doing that don't worry further about productivity. Take your breaks, and I always get away for lunch if I can. Block your calendar if you need to.
If you have a diagnosis you can try for reasonable accommodations too.

Jobob,
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@independentpen @actuallyautistic Yeah, it's tricky and I'm still figuring it out. In my case I try and give intense tasks the space they need away from meetings as far as possible, and if I have too many meetings I pad my day with admin and development tasks because meetings are tiring.
But I am still bad for trying to fill my whole work day with work tasks, even though it's clearly bad for me, so it's definitely something I'm still working on.

Jobob,
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@independentpen @actuallyautistic Yeah it's amazing, pretty sure I read somewhere that actually when people are measured in the office they only spend a maximum of about four hours a day actually working.
I think it might help to realise that we can't see other people's productivity gaps, which means by and large they can't see ours either. Personally speaking if people can't focus for more than 4 hours a day I'd rather we just acknowledged that and set that as our goal, but, well...

Jobob,
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@samiam @independentpen @actuallyautistic if you need to work all the time to get through it you have about double the workload that would be reasonable, I'm afraid.
No reflection on you, you understand, it's absolutely endemic just now, certainly here in the UK and I suspect the US too.

Jobob, to actuallyautistic
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@actuallyautistic so is this what a shutdown feels like? I'm exhausted after work, always previously said I was "tired". But importantly, I am feeling disconnected with myself, my inner monologue has all but stopped and I need to do the language equivalent of changing down two gears to make words. I can do the task in front of me but can't prioritise, engage higher brain function, or compare two tasks.
It occurs to me that this may not be how NTs experience "tired after a long day/week".

Jobob,
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@FrightenedRat @actuallyautistic heh, I don't think the meta thinking ever stops, does it??

Jobob,
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@FrightenedRat @actuallyautistic I did teacher training years ago and they were all about demonstrating that we were "reflective professionals". I could not get my head around it, to me it was like demonstrating I was a "breathing human".

cynaq, to actuallyautistic
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I just did that test.

I went in blind and didn't think I'd score too high because as far as I understand what monotropism proposes, I didn't think it fit my profile very well. I tried to answer the questions as accurately as I could, without overthinking.

Well...

The result says I'm more monotropic than 73% of autistic people and 98% of allistic people.

I guess I was misunderstanding what monotropism would feel like, if these results are anywhere near accurate, because I'm quite surprised, to say the least.

Would anyone else like to chime in and discuss this with me a bit? This result was not at all what I was expecting.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@ahrimans_erbe @cynaq @neversosimple @actuallyautistic oh god this. I fell out with my sister years ago because she took me aside and said "I know you didn't mean this and wouldn't say this, but this social media post might have been interpreted in this bad faith way" and I'm like, it doesn't actually say that, you know I wouldn't mean that - how can I control for that sort of interpretation? That is not a reasonable ask! But she maintained I should somehow /just know/.

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Is there any research about autism and efficiency of local anaesthesia drugs?

I did a fast search, but everything was flooded with pros and cons about using full anaesthesia or with stupid stuff like does anaesthesia cause autism.

I am asking because some years ago under surgery with local anaesthesia I felt more than I should or doctors could believe. So since nearly all my specialities so far was mirrored by autistic people, I wonder if that could be a thing too.

Jobob,
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@ahrimans_erbe @ScottSoCal @actuallyautistic I'm not diagnosed, but I have had to ask for additional doses of local at the dentist, and I'm coming to terms with the fact that the discomfort of it all is just as stressful to me as the pain. So even if the anaesthetic works, I'm still stressed by being immobilised, the noise, the vibrations and things like not being able to see (I'm short-sighted) etc
I have spent my life hiding how much I dislike all that.

AutisticAdam, to actuallyautistic
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As an autistic person, I would feel uncomfortable judging anyone for their facial expressions. There are many reasons why I dont. I know what it’s like to be truly unable to control your facial expressions, and receive criticism from others for looking smug, angry and/or looking miserable, when infact you’re not.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@clouddweller @actuallyautistic @AutisticAdam yeah for me it's people telling me I'm scary. They can't tell me what they're scared I'll do, of course. Just that I'm scary.

HotWheels, to actuallyautistic
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@actuallyautistic

Anyone have any method to dealing with shame that works on us?

I'm really good at processing my way out of this stuff but cannot shake the shame, which contributes massively to my PTSD and RSD symptoms.

I've got the CPTSD/ADHD/Autism triple threat going on, if that's useful info

Jobob,
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@HotWheels @actuallyautistic Sounds odd, maybe, but I've had some success changing my mindset about myself by making a point of mentally complimenting random people I pass. It creates a world in your own head where you can focus more on the positives.
Like "that's an awesome coat", "I love that person's tattoos", "that skirt is such an unusual colour but goes so well with that bag", "that's such a smart hairstyle", you know, simple things.

youronlyone, to actuallyadhd
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One stereotype about us is we like and . I'm a “yes” and a “no”.

I do like Prime numbers and Odd numbers:

  • 17
  • 13
  • 7

17 is very special.

  • 17 is the 7th Prime
  • 1 is an odd number
  • 7 is an odd number
  • 17 is an odd number
  • 1 + 7 = 8, although an even number, it symbolises infinity and eternity, and us

13 is also special.

  • A Prime
  • An Odd
  • A Fibonacci number

And depending on whom you ask:

  • The 8th Fibonacci number
  • The 7th Fibonacci number

Ironically:

  • The anniversary of my first romantic relationship was on: 1997-07-17. It was my first love who picked that, and she had no idea what my favourite numbers are.
  • My height is 175 cm or 5'75" to 5'85" (depending on whom you ask).
  • Favourite time of the day: 07:00 and 19:00 (7pm). 19 is the 8th Prime. (There's 8 again.)

And I'm . ^_^


How about you? What two stereotypes is you and not you?

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Jobob,
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@Waiting4Thunder @ScottSoCal @masukomi @youronlyone @nellie_m @autistics @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @autism @pathfinder you can do the nine times table on your hands. Hold up ten fingers. Put down the one on the left. You have 9. Put that one up, and the next down. You have 1, 8. Move the finger along, 2, 7, then 3,6 and so on.
To get for instance 9 x 7 put down the finger 7 from the left, and you have 6 fingers on the left and 3 on the right!

yourautisticlife, to actuallyautistic
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Here's another thing to add to my nightly ritual: nose strips.

I forgot about them because I think that (strangely enough) I did not use them last winter. I did search through my grocery receipts (they are electronic) and the last order I have for them is in 2021. So I think my memory is correct.

I tend to use them when the temperature turns colder. I restarted using them last night, and it made a difference in my sleep. I still woke up a bit early, but I slept very solidly prior to that.

I'm now wondering what the experience of other autistic people with these might be.

Jobob,
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@markusl @yourautisticlife @actuallyautistic I mean it might help more than you think. It sounds like the issue is with breathing through your mouth, so if you had support at your nose you might not need as much air through your mouth.
BTW basing this on physics knowledge so how far it goes medically speaking is another question!

Jobob,
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@markusl @yourautisticlife @actuallyautistic Ah, fair enough.

AutisticAdam, to actuallyautistic
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Does anyone else think it’s messed up that a lot of what are considered ‘socially inappropriate’ behaviours are just traits of being Autistic?

If you’re too straightforward, you’re rude.

If you’re too passionate, you’re dramatic.

If you’re too quiet, you’re not a team player.

The list goes on.

@actuallyautistic

Jobob,
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@AutisticAdam @actuallyautistic does it ever feel like other people are allowed to make mistakes but if you do even the smallest thing in a way that's a tiny bit unusual everyone's horrified?
Or is that just me?

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