AceTKen

AceTKen, 11 months ago

I was going to say something pretty similar to what you were.

I’m the last one to generally defend religious people, but are they actually being bigoted?

There’s a pretty large difference between not affirming something and attacking something and frankly flipping through the community I didn’t see either of those things occurring.

It sounds like the original poster just doesn’t like the rule itself.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

Oh man, do I have some bad news for you…

Plants CAN feel pain.

You not understanding the pain or finding a way to measure the pain does not mean there is no pain.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

That one article, yes, but there are more. I trust you know how to use search, but: sciencetimes.com/…/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-…We’ve known for a while that trees do this, and fungi are notorious for this.

You, like many users on this thread are ignoring the evidence because you don’t like the outcome. You not understanding the pain does not mean no pain. Life for some means death for others. Period. You can not avoid it on a micro or macro scale, all you can do is change WHAT you kill.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

I mean, just because you care about only pain you can see and understand, doesn’t mean you have a leg to stand on argument-wise. Plants respond to warnings from their peers about dangers, brace for pain, and signal pain to others. You are factually and morally incorrect.

When allegiance becomes central to identity, simply acknowledging reality can feel like a personal defeat.

AceTKen, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Well, no, I didn’t ignore anything. I disagree about the stance being valid from the get go and felt the point defeated.

Let me try again: You can lessen suffering, but you can not eliminate it. Your existence causes suffering. All existence does. Everything alive is only alive because it feeds off other living things who have their own way of existing. A suffering being a style you choose to not recognize is not only not a valid defence, it makes you just as guilty as those you attack.

Disregarding your more purposely inflammatory statements against other users and trying to stick to the logic of the situation, your stance has been “Being vegetarian / vegan is eliminating suffering and therefore should be the end goal.” Is that not correct? I’m not arguing in bad faith like many here or making a shitty “bacon = good” joke. I want to make sure you’re not being misinterpreted when I tell you that your argument is flawed and factually incorrect.

• If you want to be vegan because you enjoy it? Go for it. That is inarguable.
• If you want to be vegan because you feel it’s healthier? Rock on. Go you. You may be right if you carefully monitor your diet. I would argue against it being better than vegetarian however.
• If you want to be vegan because it’s easier on the environment? Yup. You could make a good case that it would be better for the planet, but only because we’re overpopulated. A smarter case to make would be for a reduction in humans. Being vegan is a very minor step of harm reduction compared to fewer people.
• If you want to be vegan because you don’t like factory farms? That’s not a logical jump to make. There are plenty of smaller suppliers you can procure from that do not have those issues; the smarter jump is to just not use bad providers no matter what the product.
• If you want to be vegan because it’s eliminating suffering? Nope. You’re just making substitutions for things you’re comfortable with. Bad logic. Bad argument. You’re also applying your own morals (because this is a moral standpoint) to other people, which is stupid no matter who is doing it. From anti-abortion activists to Muslim extremists, your morals apply to you and only you. Do not try to enforce them on the outside world.
• If you want to be vegan because it eliminates death? That’s also a moral argument. In fact, in the short term and per unit of death, being vegan adds MORE deaths, they’re just not a style you choose to recognize. Not to mention that increasing the crop yields to make up for the caloric deficit created by meat vanishing would also potentially kill the planet at this stage of human occupation. Crops that are easy to grow, less destructive to the land so they can grow it again immediately after, low maintenance, and cast-offs from other production are where animal feed comes from. This stuff could not be fed to humans or are excess.

And the way you’re going about it isn’t helpful to your cause. A better outreach for you would be to use the Food subs and post legit great vegetarian food and entice people that way. Doing it this way will accomplish nothing of value unless you secretly work for a factory farm and want to piss people off so they eat more meat, in which case you are doing exactly what you should be in this thread.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

W… what? Am I debating with an AI or something? Malthusianism was never invoke nor implied. The food supply is a finite resource. This isn’t a debate. We live in an entropic reality. Period. You do not get to rewrite universal constants.

The argument was not nonsense, you’ve just moved the goalposts instead of acknowledging it. There was no justifying mass slaughter of people because animals are not people by any but the loosest of definitions (eg. the one you seem to operate on). You moving the goalposts of what constitutes the word “people” for political reasons does not magically make it so. I am wholly opposed to the political adjustment of words no matter who does it and for what reason it’s done. It’s intellectually dishonest and allows the mover to re-frame any argument however they see fit.

What if I did what you did? Well, now plants are people and you’re psychotic. I’ve now re-recategorized animals to never be people. Okay, so now you’re calling for genocide. Congrats! You’ve proved why word adjustments for political reasons is a shit idea. Now let’s be grown-up about things, shall we?

As someone who has lived on a small farm for a good number of years and raised animals, you (and I) hold their lives in higher regard than they do. That is because you (maybe?) are a sentient being. Many animals have fewer sentience-indicating behaviours than trees do.

And tell my hamster how important family is. She ate six of her children on two separate occasions.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

Killing is only one way of reducing a population, and is not one I advocated for. You are becoming increasingly unhinged. The primary definition of “people” is “human beings in general or considered collectively.” A second definition? “human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest.”

No. Animals are not people. You are factually incorrect, bad at making points, and potentially psychotic. Take your meds.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

I can appreciate what you are doing and I can also appreciate the news story in and of itself. If you want to do something equal, post a new story that is also legitimate news about how China sucks and I will gladly upvote that as well.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

It’s pretty common in Kickstarter circles to pledge a dollar to gain access to the pledge manager and decide if you actually want to make a purchase there.

I assume that’s what those people are doing?

AceTKen, 11 months ago

I’m going to ask a legitimate question and I promise I’m not trolling but this seems insane to me and I have to ask.

Why in the fuck would anybody use a special app just for podcasts?

I just go to the website, download the show, throw it on my phone and I’m good to go. It takes very little time I don’t have anyone selling my listening data.

I’d genuinely like to know what the benefit is.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

That is fair, but Chrome is undeniably more open to corporate exploitation. See things like the dramatically reduced utility of ad blockers on Chromium browsers.

I guess it depends on who you see as the greater threat at present.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

Letting users block for themselves was my choice. Lemmy is very customizable and the fewer decisions I have made for me, the better off I feel I am.

For some users, this bot may help ease the transition from Reddit. If you don’t like it, it’s quite simple to block.

AceTKen, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

I’ve actually heard religious people talk about the idea of aliens.

Essentially their conclusion was that the bible doesn’t rule out aliens because it doesn’t say God didn’t make other planets with life.

AceTKen, 11 months ago

Because the thing referred to as AI (which is definitely not AI) is simply strip mining the book to shit out “content.”

It is not reading, understanding, or learning from the book. It is using it to sell services for its masters.

An author should control their work. They should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to help big tech sell garbage to idiots.