Has my research on this been just been somehow skewed over the past months or does it really seem like Western media is suddenly turning on Ukraine?
Until like 1-2 weeks ago it was really difficult to find anything overly critical about Ukraine and now it seems as of there’s a sudden change in coverage.
Ukraine: we need tanks/armor!
West: hmm, no that would be too provocative. months later, as Russia digs trenches and lays mines
West: ok, ok, here are some tanks
Ukraine: Great, can we get better ammunition?
West: What?! No, yeesh. months of mines and trenches later
West: Ok here are cluster munitions
Ukraine: thank you. None of this really works without air support though so...
West: What is your deal? mine, mine, mine, trench trench
West: Ok maybe some F16s.
West: yo, what's taking so long?
Ukraine: I'm sorry? I can't hear you over ALL THE FUCKING MINES
Ukraine cannot win here. Russia has the world's most devious and cruel combat engineers laying in miles and miles of entrenched defence fortifications. Backed by Russia's world leading artillery battalions, there is no way Ukraine can push back Russia without battlefield nukes.
Russia is already laying in massive quantities of entrenched long range radar, antiaircraft batteries and missiles. US cannot acquire air power over that region any longer. If you have played a realistic war flightsim like Falcon 5.0, you will know air power cannot prevail against Russia's AA tech.
The F-35 has been operating over Syria for years against those supposedly infallible Russian AA defenses. So far the only thing that's been able to hit them is a bird.
“Bully punches kid and steals $50, kid only manages to get back $30, is the kid a fucking loser?” This is what the sentiment usually feels like, even if it’s not what the reporting is about, please be aware of this.
Let’s leave the rest of your narrative alone for second. Kid fights back and loses use of several fingers, loses several teeth, and is now deaf in one ear but has managed to get back $0.10
Ah yes so its the kids fault, proper authoritarian mindset (let’s leave the rest of your narrative alone, fuck you I’m right cause I have more power) technically true but I thought you guys were “anti imperialist”
Lol. I don’t need to deal with your nonsensical vomit. If you can’t even formulate coherent thoughts after looking at real numbers and flying into a foaming rage I don’t think I could deprogram your propagandized brain.
Lmao so what would you describe the massive losses Russia has taken in terms of lives, machinery, and munitions, as well as the open revolt Wagner engaged in? If Ukraine is losing fingers, teeth, and hearing, I imagine Russia has full on lost a limb and has bleeding to stabilize.
That rebellion was probably part of Put-daddy's plan tho, right?
The US is sending more aid per year than Russia’s entirely military budget and Russia hasn’t even gotten through it’s old weapon systems yet.
But that’s also besides the point. Let’s assume you’re right and Russia has lost more than Ukraine. How does that jive with Ukraine’s inability to make meaningful progress in their offensive? They’ve reclaimed something like .2% of their lost territory, which is easily within the margins of the ebb and flow of conflict.
So Putin, who is openly saying that the offensive isn't going as planned, is OK sending tens of thousands of soldiers into the grinder agaisnt better equipment, just to go through surplus? He's choosing to have thousands of Russians killed while sitting on equipment that could keep them safe?
What a guy. Noble cause he's after, de-nazi-fying a sovereign nation, while also getting his citizens massacred in tank columns and shoddy equipment while he keeps the good stuff at home.
Unless that isn't what he's doing? But you did just say they were using old stuff on purpose. You wouldn't be wrong, would you?
Sovereign as is the highest authority in the territory. The US is a sovereign nation. European countries are sovereign. In fact, most of the countries on the planet can be described as sovereign nations...
"Sovereign" does nothing to describe the type of governance the country has? Or do you have some wild insight about how sovereign actually means it's an installed dictatorship?
I’m just saying during the invasion all the liberals were referring to Ukraine as a democratic nation being invaded and now it seems you’ve all backpedaled to calling it a sovereign nation after it’s been pointed out they made all other political parties illegal.
Democratic-> sovereign isn't a backpedal; it's describing two different things. You wouldn't say that me describing some apples as green, and then saying there are 3 of them is somehow a reduction in the amount of green the apples are simple because I didn't call them green again.
Sovereign describes the authority to do things on a territory. Ukraine is sovereign; they aren't a territory of Russia, Ukraine answers to Ukraine on its own political matters. That does nothing to describe or rule-out democracy.
If I say "Ukraine is a democracy, who in 2019 held an election described as fair and free by international observers, in which the citizens elected a president of their own volition", would you realize that me describing Ukraine as sovereign in no way, shape, or form, describes it's elective process?
How is this math accurate?
Only got back $.10? Ukraine regained 33% or so of their captured land (or 50%-52% regained of the land lost since the second invasion). So, it would be around $16 or $17 (or $25-26 for the second invasion).
So the bully now has now attacked and lost use of several fingers, lost several teeth, and is now deaf in one ear … Same goes for his friend he conscripted to help. Plus his work told him he is getting a pay cut (sanctions)
But I don’t think could deprogram your propagandized brain.
All that describes is a lease and buy-back scheme for a state desperate for cash (understandably). It states nothing about “the west privatising Ukraine”. No statement of pressure, no statement about western influence in the decision.
Mostly slow due to mines and the dam. Recently, Ukraine has made good progress in Crimea and some surprise attacks on RF assets. It will just take some time is all.
Note: Crimea looks less and less defendable by the day. With sanctions and international support for Ukraine, Russia is the one with a ticking clock.
I could maybe understand the criticism if Russia had made further gains, but you have to keep in mind that Ukraine has liberated 74,443 km² or 28,743 square miles since the start of the invasion. The offensive may not have had the effect that many hoped for after their earlier successes but they are facing defensive positions that have been set up and fortified over months. It will take some time to force a breakthrough and they are still constantly chipping away at the frontline. It’s a good thing that they are advancing carefully and not just sending expendable waves of untrained soldiers like the Russians do.
It’s an interesting product of a western world that hasnt really seen war in 70 years. It’s always been far away.
We seek instant gratification, when in reality these are people’s lives. It should move slowly, especially against heavily mined positions. I’m wondering if we’ll see much progress until the F-16s enter the field to gain air support for the ground troops.
It’s their entitlement that is causing them to demand instant gratification, to people like this the war is an “inconvenience” and every additional minute they have to deal with the reality of this extremely important war it’s a sign that they’re not getting their gratification sated. We’re all struggling and making sacrifices and the entitled among us are far less willing to participate in that struggle and make those sacrifices.
a western world that hasnt really seen war in 70 years
Do TV stations in the West don’t show the war they produce? Because as far as I know we haven’t stopped having wars where the West is involved since at least 200 years, so I’m not really sure I follow you there. Afghanistan doesn’t count or what?
Sure it has, but it has mainly seen it through the lens of the USA. The USA has been able to overpower other militaries on such an extreme scale that people think a war should be over in a week.
Most of the deaths were saw in Iraq and Afghanistan were from an insurgency fighting an occupying force. It wasn’t the same as two industrial nations fighting. No one really covered the Iran-Iraq War, so the closest experience would likely be Korea.
Wars are distant things to North America. A product that is viewed only through glass or a screen. There has never been conventional war on modern north American soil, so it is something people go to, but not a devastation that really affects day to day life.
I’d liken the attitude more to Hollywood movies: an export of American (US) culture.
So the understanding that this is people’s literal homes. That life is finite, and war is atrocious is disconnected. I can watch Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Black Hawk Down, etc. to get a taste of war, but when I’m done with it, I want it to resolve and be over.
That’s not possible for Ukrainians. Their country is still occupied. The devastation on their land will continue for decades.
Even if they crash through the lines next week, and sweep aside Russian defences like dust there are decades of rebuilding and de-mining ahead.
The cultural West must be willing to be in that journey every step of the way, or we risk another radicalized generation in the future that heard the promises, but lived the broken actions.
All in my opinion, of course, from the safety of my home.
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