Russia’s war in Ukraine is already in its 17th month. In that time, President Vladimir Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is not bothered by losses — whether they be financial, material, or human. His war will go on as long as he needs. And, judging by how the authorities have woven the so-called “special military operation” into Russian life, that will be a long time.
We haven’t come to a mutually agreed definition and it doesn’t seem to be worth my time to do so with you.
I am simply pointing out that you’re trying to claim that you were here first, when this website was created by a leftist and populated by leftists, and you only came over here when reddit being a shithole started to effect you personally.
I’m not the one who believes the paid Russian posters are in the room with us right now, on this niche leftist community that you’ve graced with your redditor presence.
The admins are probably also what you would consider “Russian shills”. They explicitly announced they wouldn’t ban people with different ideologies which is why you’re allowed to spout your western propaganda here
Oh no, please don’t isolate yourself further and prevent us and everyone else in the fediverse looking at this instance from being exposed to your opinions, that would really own us.
You’ll note how this communist designed open source fediverse structure is less coercive than capitalist reddit while still applying incentives to discourage reactionary behavior. If you entirely isolate yourselves, you’ve just recreated the structure of reddit.
At least this indicates that he is a human with an opinion that he stated on a highly nieche community and not a paid actor that only joins and starts to influence consensus after a community grows.
You on the other hand…
Jk, but think before you misrepresent a community and people as being shills.
For sake of completeness: account dates can be manipulated by the owner of the instance the account is registered on
This is one of the things I pointed out in the post on the permanent war. Russia since the beginning dumped into the war old and outdated equipment. They sent to the front those who they considered the less valuable soldiers at the same time initially they avoided to send recruits from the draft to minimise the political backlash within Russia.
Since the beginning they handled it as a long term attrition war.
Yup, and the US military-industrial-complex has been frothing at the mouth for another long-term war they can profit off of, and they’ve got their wish.
Yeah, NATO will now force all the European countries to up their military spending and do austerity. The oligarchs running the war industry are going to be swimming in cash while people are gonna starve. Now that they have a credible enemy to scare people with, it’s going to be an unlimited tap.
That’s not true. They lost most of their so-called “elite” units at the beginning of the war, thinking it would be a very short war and that these units would just walk into Kyiv. Units which they are incapable of replacing in any meaningful way.
The mobilisation only came months after their initiation of the war, when they realised it would not be a short term affair.
So they’re raiding their welfare fund to sustain the war. Thing is, according to the newsletter, the fund will go from 6.8 to 2.5 trillion rubles in 1 year. And this is to be an eternal war? What do they do once everyone’s pensions are wiped out?
NATO exists to solve the problems created by NATO’s existence. The reasons for joining NATO are to funnel money to America’s military contractors Nothing else.
Who has spent the most on this conflict? Hint: it’s not Russia; it’s not even Ukraine; nor is it any European country or…any other country. The USA has spent more on this conflict than any other country, including Russia. Who platformed Nazis, embedded them into the military complex, and helped put them in positions of power within NATO? You guessed it, the USA. Do you think the USA is some independent third party observer here?
The only thing on the horizon is NATO preparing for a final scream of agony, a final war to end wars, considering now all of NATO media is suspiciously quiet over USA sending banned cluster bombs to Ukraine. This only sets a precedent for the other banned weapon - nuclear.
NATO is an offensive paper tiger organisation with the might of a little pupper, and will collapse quickly without nuclear weapons if Russia and China and/or India joined forces. Feelings do not decide war outcomes. Optimal strategy does.
So far Russia’s strategy has been terrible. And you just said if Russia and China or India join forces. So you admit Russia is failing? NATO is far more powerful than Russia. Hell, individual countries in NATO are far more powerful than Russia. The only thing Russia has going for it is the threat of nukes. You are also jumping to some weird as theories. NATO is not going to drop any nukes first. Regardless whether you think cluster bombs are somehow similar to nukes. You’re just talking out of your ass with moronic metaphors.
I never admitted anywhere Russia is failing even in the tiniest sliver amounts. My assumption of Russia’s allies teaming up is in response to NATO countries themselves ganging up on Russia as the next step, since NATO’s weapons via their Ukraine proxy war have utterly and completely failed to the point a banned weapon like cluster bomb was sent by USA.
NATO is desperate and will pull any stops before they let their empire collapse beyond recovery for the next millenia and beyond. Cluster bombs is first, NATO countries themselves attempting invasion is second and nukes follow that. NATO (and US’ Dick Cheney) have made it clear on occasions their goal is to Balkanise Russia.
You just said they really don’t have a chance without some weird conglomeration of the other countries. So yeah you did. Also Russia is the invader. You call it a proxy war and at this point it has turned into one. But it’s 100% on Russia. Russia is weak. Everyone thought Russia was the big guy on the field and it turns out they’re not. China may be although they haven’t fought a war in a long time so who knows what they can actually do. But it’s very evident now that Russia was not nearly as strong as everyone thought they were.
If Russia was weak, NATO would not be masturbating itself over Wagner Group under Prigozhin claiming to assassinate Putin. This is how weak NATO is, relying on enemy to kill themself, because they have zero capabilities. NATO is just a tiger at their home, outside of their home they become a little chihuahua pupper.
lol no, Russia is just plain weak. They just have nukes. They have a nuclear deterrent. That’s it. They’re weak. You can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to to keep convincing yourself but in the end Russia is weak.
You can keep inventing rational to delude yourself. It will not change reality. Anglos were never strong, which is why they needed the help of Russia and China to get rid of Hitler, and why is why west countries will now face their worst times after being unable to plunder and exploit others for centuries.
Correct. I’ll happily shill for the defensive alliance formed to ward off (the currently on display) Russian aggression. NATO would not exist if Russia weren’t so nakedly attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, an alliance that had already been litigated and abandoned by the smaller nations Russia pillaged for resources, this time without even pretending to be for the workers.
Edit: no amount of tankie brigading will convince me that Russia isn’t the aggressor in the region. Imagine the brainrot required to think that the military that invaded Ukraine and is still currently there is the good team.
You’re in a thread that’s showed you that NATO was a place to give jobs to high ranking Nazis. It’s the world’s most aggressive military alliance that Russia is defending itself from.
Russia does basically this to the U.S. with its subs and it’s a reality Americans are forced to deal with every day, so yes, Russia is the clear aggressor here.
If you truly think this is a display of Russian aggression I genuinely doubt that you have any historic view on the geopolitics of the region. The conflict did not appear out of thin air in 2022. The situation is more complex than “Russian aggression”; in fact that’s not even a part of the picture. Russia is responding to requests for assistance after Ukraine began bombing its own people in 2014. Many of these people voted to join Russia after this disgusting display by Ukraine. Before 2022 most of the combatants against Ukraine were regular people fighting for their homes and families. These people realize that Ukraine wants to bomb their homes and Russia is offering to fight alongside them. On the weekend before the SMO began, there were 2000 ceasefire violations in the Donbass. Between 2014 and 2022, 1 million Ukrainians immigrated to Russia because of the abuse by the Ukrainian government. And since the operation began in 2022, another 1.3 million immigrated. The people in these territories that Ukraine has zero regard for view the support they are receiving from Russia positively: they invited Russia in to assist them, and they are somewhat reliant on Russia to protect them from Ukraine.
I know life is a lot easier when you don’t muddy things with context. I know that it’s a lot easier to be righteous in your condemnation of a world power because they’re “evil” and an “aggressor” than it is to acknowledge that the situation is more complex. I know that it’s a lot easier to go along with what Western media says than to be informed and hold your own opinions. I know it feels nice to rally with everyone against a perceived enemy. I know it feels nice to feel that your country (and military) is finally doing something good for once. But you can’t let wanting to feel good stand in the way of reality. The Western media has done a hell of a job propagandizing this war, attempting to remove any historical and geopolitical context, in order to gather and maintain support. Think honestly: how much historical and geopolitical context have you seen, especially from popular media sources? How much more effort is spent on raging about current “evil deeds” than understanding the desires of the people in the actual territories that have asked Russia for help?
Please read, and inform yourself. Life is less black-and-white than “Russia evil”.
I will copy paste this comment from Hexbear that explains how we reached that situation, because I believe it will be useful here for context:
The following three parts are absolutely crucial toward understanding the ongoing war in Ukraine from a materialist and historical standpoint:
One, the Maidan Coup happened in 2013 because the former president Yanukovych wanted to postpone signing the EU association trade agreement, which was an economic warfare against both Ukraine and Russia. First, it required that Ukraine take on IMF loans that required them to cut social spending and education. Second, it would allow European goods to flood Russian market due to the existing tariff-free agreement between Ukraine and Russia, without allowing Russia to do so in reverse. Putin did NOT oppose to Ukraine signing the deal, he offered a tripartite meeting to discuss this tariff issue, but the EU refused. Yanukovych did not want to lose the trade revenue with Russia, so he said he needed more time to talk this out with Russia - but it was already too late, merely postponing was enough to trigger the ultranationalists/fascists to launch a coup.
Second, the Donbass separatists rebelled because immediately after the coup, one of the first things the coup regime did was to initiate a ban on Russian language to lash out against ethnic Russians. Russia was forced into the conflict, because there would have been a massacre if the civil war was to allow the military to crush the resistance in Donbass.
Third, the Minsk agreements showed that Russia was absolutely willing to return Donbass (but not Crimea for obvious reasons) to Ukraine, although Ukraine has to give the Donbass local governments more autonomy to protect their local cultures (so that someone from Kyiv can’t just simply impose a national ban on language or culture without considering the local populations). They waited 8 years for Ukraine to start implementing the protocol, but instead what they saw was NATO openly arming Ukraine for 8 years - this showed that Ukraine wanted to take back Donbass and Crimea by military force, and the only reason for that is quite simply that they wanted to ethnically cleanse the Russian culture without having to adhere to the Minsk agreements. Both Merkel and Hollande, guarantors of Minsk II, have admitted publicly in 2022 that Minsk was simply to buy time for Ukraine to militarize, proving Russia’s intuition correct.
The war in Ukraine was inevitable. Russia still did the last ditch effort in 2021 to call for a security meeting with NATO, but to no avail. Under the new Biden presidency, Zelensky had been emboldened to talk about Ukraine joining NATO and rearming with nuclear weapons, prompting the invasion from Russia in February 2022. The rest is history.
Maidan Coup happened in 2013 because the former president Yanukovych wanted to postpone signing the EU association trade agreement
In defiance of the Ukrainian Parliament and the majority will of ukrainian people. and it wasn’t a coup. a coup is “a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.” Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislatured. Enough of his party defected to the opposition to the point where he no longer commanded a majority.
Which was an economic warfare against both Ukraine and Russia
Not economic warefare, a trade agreement which the Ukrainian parliament voted for. Russia had the option of cancelling it’s own trade deal with Ukraine if it did not approve of Ukraines trade deal with Europe. The choice of who Ukraine creates trade deals with entirely rests with Ukraine.
The Maiden protests also were about a lot more that just a trade deal with europe. The protesters also took issue with the endemic corruption and the growing oligopoly like the one in Russia.
Second, the Donbass separatists rebelled because immediately after the coup, one of the first things the coup regime did was to initiate a ban on Russian language to lash out against ethnic Russians.
The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It’s wasn’t until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, the Russian language was not banned
Third, the Minsk agreements showed that Russia was absolutely willing to return Donbass (but not Crimea for obvious reasons) to Ukraine
The Minsk agreements were signed under duress AFTER Russia invaded their neighbor, seizing Crimea and kicking off a civil war in Donbas. The war in Donbas is entirely down to Russia.
but not Crimea for obvious reasons
I see no reason why it shouldnt have been, Crimea is part of Ukraine and has been since the dissolution of the USSR.
Both Merkel and Hollande, guarantors of Minsk II, have admitted publicly in 2022 that Minsk was simply to buy time for Ukraine to militarize
If i kept being invaded by a neighboring country i would want to militarize too
The Russian economy is set to completely reverse last year’s slump – something Putin has recently highlighted. Manufacturing and construction lead the way, alongside retail. In a broad sense, all three sectors are beneficiaries of the war. The defense sector, working in three shifts, is boosting production: in June, for example, the biggest increases were in finished metal products (+45.8% year-on-year); computers, electronics and optics (+71.6% year-on-year), radar equipment (+75.4% year-on-year) and electrical equipment (+32.1% year-on-year). Production capacities are running at their maximum.
Russia’s committing way more resources into this conflict than they ever did for previous similar operations though. Ukraine is claiming they killed/wounded over 200000 Russian soldiers. That’s not anywhere near comparable to previous post WWII conflicts.
A lot of western oligarchs are making very good profits off this war. Here’s an undercover interview with a Blackrock recruiter who openly says Blackrock is making money and they want the war to keep going www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhAgYonAY4
Anybody who thinks that the west is there to protect Ukraine and defend democracy is brain damaged.
The thing about corruption is that it’s very inefficient. Spending a trillion dollars on weapons translates to only a couple of billions in the pockets of profiteers, the rest is used to actually make the weapons, move them in place, and to pay the people using them.
So with a useless war, you waste far more than you would if you just have the money to the profiteers.
The money would be wasted on things like super yachts anyways. At least a good chunk of this waste goes to things like feeding and housing soldiers and contractors and paying those people and all the people who make the food, supplies, etc. Seems less wasteful than just giving it to billionaires. Granted, the weapons, when they actually function at all, can be used to cause harm to many people...
Ukraine claims a lot of things, it’s called war propaganda. We won’t know what the actual losses are on each side until the war is over. It’s certainly absurd to take Ukrainian numbers uncritically. In fact, it doesn’t even match up with Ukraine having done multiple mobilizations now while Russia has only done one. If Russia was losing anywhere close to manpower Ukraine claims, then they would’ve had to do multiple mobilizations by now as well. Also, as many military experts have pointed out, this is primarily an artillery war and Russia has a huge artillery advantage over Ukraine. That’s where vast majority of casualties comes from.
Russia never really stopped mobilizing men. They started the mobilization back in autumn, then passed several reforms to allow them to keep mobilizing men in a less conspicuous way, like making the delivery of the mobilization letter electronic and without receipt, adding restrictions to those who don’t go the conscription office and other laws. All these were done in the winter and thousands of reports of electronic mobilization letters surfaced during these months on the internet. It’s a steady stream conscripts rather than big batches, but the result it’s the same.
This is the long game, because if Trump wins, he can get the US out of NATO and that's a constitutional crisis at home, and a serious flashpoint to drive Europe back into squabbling.
There's a vast difference between America ceasing to support Ukraine and America supporting Russia. Simply never going to happen, that's a loonie scenario.
NATO is not officially supporting Ukraine. It just so happens that all the various NATO member countries are all individually deciding that it's in their interests to support Ukraine. If America drops out that's not going to change whether it's in the interests of those countries to continue supporting Ukraine. Indeed, it becomes all the more important for many of them to make sure Russia's strength is broken if they don't feel they can rely on America to support them.
No, it really isn't. The rest of eastern Europe's countries remember what it was like to live under the Russian thumb and they have plenty of modern weapons and well-trained soldiers salivating to ensure Russia is going to be a crippled husk for the next few generations. Western Europe is none to fond of Russia either. And if America stops helping because an obvious Russian puppet president has taken power, that's only going to make it worse.
America may be the sole "superpower", but bear in mind that that means Russia is not a "superpower". They're a peer to the various countries of Europe at best, and by this point I would not even call them that. Ukraine has more tanks than Russia does now. America's already done a lot of the heavy lifting in breaking Russia, if they bowed out now it's not like everything resets to the way it was in 2021. Russia is still on the ropes.
Gee, I wonder if anything might have happened from 2014 to present that would have changed those numbers a bit.
Also, to dig up an old favourite, you forgot Poland. And a bunch of others. More countries were "living under the Russian thumb" than just literal members of the USSR. Here's 14 former Soviet republics that joined NATO, whose primary purpose is to defend against Russian attack.
This fucking clownery must end with Trump being Putin’s doggy or whatever you liberal lot conjure up. Trump is an incompetent right wing asswad and simply showed the true nature of American society, which is why Americans/Westerners hate him. Nobody hated him when he was genociding Yemen and going “for the oil” in Syria, just after Obama/NATO bombed the fuck out of spread democracy and liberated Libya.
Trump is a joke and he has no relation to Putin in any form or shape, besides the fact that Trump happened to lead Republicans, and in the Deep State, Republicans are the China hating publicly racist party while Democrats are the Russia hating institutionally racist centre-right party.
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