Rishi Sunak considers banning cigarettes for next generation

Rishi Sunak is considering introducing some of the world’s toughest anti-smoking measures that would in effect ban the next generation from ever being able to buy cigarettes, the Guardian has learned.

Whitehall sources said the prime minister was looking at measures similar to those brought in by New Zealand last December. They involved steadily increasing the legal smoking age so tobacco would end up never being sold to anyone born on or after 1 January 2009.

jray4559,
@jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Ban weed smoking too.

Things like edibles, sure let 'em have it, but we’ve only just gotten to the point where life doesn’t smell like nicotine anymore, we shouldn’t be replacing that with everything smelling like weed.

rainynight65,

Smoking is one of the very few things everyone is better off not doing.

KillAllPoorPeople,

Same with alcohol, but I don’t think we’re allowed to say that yet. Maybe one day!

HumanPenguin,
@HumanPenguin@feddit.uk avatar

Do not disagree it not good. But until you can indicate passive damage to non drinkers. You will find it hard to argue for the ban in society. Only actions of drinkers that may effect other will ever be considered an issue.

huginn,

Only actions of drinkers that may effect other will ever be considered an issue.

Yeah and we should ban cars to get rid of drunk driving tbh

HumanPenguin,
@HumanPenguin@feddit.uk avatar

If we ban oxygen all crimes would stop. And the planet would soon recover.

Fortunately we are democratic enough not to listen to outright stupid ideas. Or to punish all for the stupidity of some.

Wage_slave,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

In any context, this is the most infuriatingly fucking stupid argument there is.

“well we should ban…”

Instantly stupid. just add human.

Uncle_Bagel,

American prohibition and the war on drugs has shown that toal band like that really just make consumption worse while piling a whole new slew of problems onto an existing issue.

Wage_slave,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

I wholeheartedly agree with ya there, but would smoking be carried on in the same fashions as drugs and booze?

I quit years ago after thirty years of smoking and while it was hard as fuck, and i was nasty as a human for a while, I didn’t get the urge to find plug for smokes or off up ass for a pack of butts. Or kill anyone for that matter.

Here in Canada the jump in price has reservation smokes selling like fucking crazy. My old Racist as fuck neighbor bent his morals just enough to say his buying them was justified. I am pretty sure old Dar would drop and blow a herpes staff for a smoke, so I am probably already wrong to question it.

Uncle_Bagel,

While people may not be willing to kill or rob someone to get a pack of smokes, there will absolutely be a black market for them that will be rife with unsavory characters that will. I live an hour away from a recreational marijuana state and it has destroyed the local black market for pot as anyone who wants to get high can just drive across the state line and get their own pot. No more sketchy drug dealers pushing other substances, no more police stings to catch teenagers buying dope.

Buying controlled and reasonably dangerous substances from licensed retailers like a dispensary, grocery store, or even a gas station is a lot safer for everyone than trying to keep tabs on a black market. The danger of prohibition wasn’t alcoholics trying to find their next drink, it was mobsters like Capone trying to dominate the black market for popular goods.

Edit since i misread what you meant: Sure tobacco is on it’s way out as is, but nicotine consumption is still skyrocketing. I dont see how banning tobacco sales for anyine born after a certain date like Sunak is proposing will help anything. People under 30 are already way less likely to smoke tobacco but consume unhealthy quantities of nicotine anyway.

KillAllPoorPeople,

This just isn’t true though. Other countries ban alcohol and it doesn’t turn into what happened during American alcohol prohibition. Nor does it mean banning needs to be done like it was done during that period either. You people gotta start thinking a bit deeper about stuff.

PersnickityPenguin,

What countries have successfully banned alcohol? Besides Muslim countries that employ capital punishment.

KillAllPoorPeople,

The Chiapas state of Mexico.

PersnickityPenguin,

Lol sure. The worst country in the world for narcotics trafficking?

KillAllPoorPeople,

Do you pick out Alabama when you talk about the entirety of the US? Or do you tend to be less xenophobic and less racist?

Cabunach, (edited )

I remember when they had the same idea around 2014, to ban smoking for anyone born in the UK from 2000 onwards. That would have been easier to enforce.

Gerula,

Legalise weed but ban tobacco!

Just saying.

Psythik,

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    monke,
    @monke@kbin.social avatar

    I'm Rishi Sunak

    Psythik,

    Oh okay. Don’t just “consider it”. Fucking do it.

    MrScottyTay,

    British prime minister

    Psythik,

    Thanks. What happened to Boris Johnson? Is he gone already? Am I seriously this out of touch?

    MrScottyTay,

    He got caught up in a scandal, finally, then we got liz truss for a few weeks that caused an economic and energy crisis. A head of lettuce lasted longer than her. Then rishi took over from her.

    qwerty,

    How about we let adults make their own decisions. My body my choice.

    Huschke,

    Generally I agree with you, but with cigarettes you are not making the choice only for yourself. Every time you walk down the street with a cigarette in hand you are forcing other people to inhale it.

    I was born in a world without a cigarette ban in restaurants and clubs and the current situation is 1000 time more preferable imo.

    qwerty,

    Then ban smoking in public.

    Rouxibeau,

    Addictive psychoactive substances strip you of choice. Everyone has the same chance and opportunity to start; but many have little to no opportunity to stop.

    qwerty,

    Alcohol, weed, porn, gambling, sex, gaming, candy… can be addictive. Let’s ban or strictly limit all of that coz people are too stupid to make their own decisions. Addictive psychoactive substances strip you of choice, so instead we’ll have politicians strip you of choice and make decisions for you.

    Huschke,

    What’s funny is that where I live a lot of the examples you mentioned ARE heavly mandated and limited.

    Rouxibeau,

    Many of those don’t harm another person. If you do it to yourself have fun. Public smoking/alcoholism should be prohibited.

    FleetingTit,
    @FleetingTit@feddit.de avatar

    When people smoke at home with a window open the disgusting smell wafts out into the windows of unsuspecting non-smokers. It can’t be helped, smoking needs to be banned.

    qwerty,

    Then mandate smokers to smoke in a way that doesn’t affect other people. There’s plenty of things that can be done so that non-smokers don’t have to breath in smoke and smokers can retain autonomy over their bodies. But it’s not realy about that, is it? In a world where you pass hundreds smoke spewing machines every time you walk down the street, and every city requires a huge smoke making facility running 24/7 that can turn the whole sky gray if the wind blows the wrong way, cigarette smoke is the least of your worries. What it realy is about is control over other people, taking away their choice and forcing them to conform to your way of life.

    Huschke,

    I have said it time and time again. Smokers should have to wear those old diving helmets, but made out of glass. That way they can smoke as much as they want and don’t bother anyone but themselves!10 years ago people called me crazy, but maybe now we are heading in that direction. :)

    lightnsfw,

    When people do all kinds of shit at their homes it affects the surrounding neighborhood. When someone barbecues you can smell it down the street, when someone mows their lawn you hear it down the street, my neighbors were doing a lot of painting last week and I could smell that for a few days. I hate smoking as much as anyone but at a certain point you just have to deal with it.

    spauldo,

    I’ve been suggesting they do this in the states for a while now.

    I smoke. I like smoking, and I don’t plan to quit. But it’s obvious that most people want smoking to go away. They keep increasing the price of cigarettes, they keep banning smoking in new areas, and every time they’ll tell you it’s to keep kids from smoking. It’s a lie - they want everyone to stop smoking.

    So fine. Set a date, and make it illegal for anyone born after that date to smoke. Then leave us smokers alone. If it’s as bad for us as you say it is, we’ll all die soon anyway.

    Will some people born after that date smoke? Sure. But the majority won’t. And it’ll be a constant annoyance for them that they can’t just go buy a carton at the store, which will encourage them to quit. I’d feel sorry for them, but I was told it was bad for me, not that I’d be standing outside in -50° weather puffing as fast as I can because I can’t smoke in my hotel room, or that I’d spend more on cigarettes than I do electricity. They at least know they’ll never be allowed to smoke.

    Rouxibeau,

    You don’t like smoking; you’re addicted to a harmful drug. You have nicotine induced Stockholm syndrome.

    Gerula,

    Are you sure about this?

    spauldo,

    Oh, you’re a mind reader now? You don’t know me, buddy.

    DogMuffins,

    they keep banning smoking in new areas, and every time they’ll tell you it’s to keep kids from smoking. It’s a lie - they want everyone to stop smoking.

    That’s just not the case, at all. I’m a very recent ex-smoker and non-smoking areas absolutely helped me stop, but not for the reason you might think.

    In Australia it’s the same - cigarettes getting more expensive and the number of places you can smoke reducing.

    No one ever suggested that it’s to keep kids from smoking - the message has always been pretty clear: every cigarette is doing harm, so less places to smoke means less harm.

    The main benefit of non-smoking areas is that it made me realise that withdrawals and cravings are really no big deal. About 5 years ago I was terrified of trying to stop because I had convinced myself that the withdrawals would be awful. Then I took a job at a place where it just wasn’t possible to smoke even on breaks. The most noticeable thing was that getting through the entire day without a smoke was actually no big deal - the symptoms were very manageable.

    So, to say “they” want everyone to smoke is an odd take IMO. The assumption is that everyone want’s to stop - and non-smoking areas assist with that.

    I don’t really believe that you do enjoy smoking. I mean, sitting with friends and having a few beers and smokes is certainly an enjoyable activity - but it’s not the smoking that makes it enjoyable. Anyhow, even if you did truly enjoy smoking, I guess you unfortunately just have to cater for the majority who do not.

    teolan,
    @teolan@lemmy.world avatar

    Non-smoking area are also there so that the people around smokers don’t have to breathe cancer they never asked for.

    A absolutely hate how every time I go eat on a restaurant terrace the experience is ruined by some guy next to me smoking…

    DogMuffins,

    Yeah. That is one of the purported reasons for non-smoking areas, all though your actual risk of cancer must be pretty minor surely.

    If you worked in a bar then yeah - breathing the smoke-filled air all shift for many years might effect your risk profile.

    Catching a whiff of tobacco not so much.

    teolan,
    @teolan@lemmy.world avatar

    Passive smoking is health problem as soon it’s indoor, but even when it’s not a health issue, smoke fucking stinks.

    drewofdoom,

    I think this is a cultural difference. In the US it’s not uncommon for common sense health regulation to get ignored - such as the amount of sugar in soda - because people cause an uproar about freedoms being taken away.

    But if you say it’s about the health of sweet, innocent children… well then suddenly it’s a lot more palatable for the public.

    So here in the US, you can want everyone to stop smoking, but make the case that it is for the benefit of children in order to help achieve that goal.

    spauldo,

    Maybe things are different down under, but here in the states they very much do use the “keep kids from smoking” excuse. Every. Single. Time.

    I don’t mind going outside or whatever so much. That wasn’t the point I was making. When I started smoking, you could still smoke in restaurants, airplanes, offices, etc. They still had ashtrays at the end of every aisle at the supermarket when I was a kid. Picking up smoking wasn’t a radical thing to do.

    They’ve pushed us out to the fringes, but that’s fine. But their goal is to eliminate smoking. What I’m saying is that enough is enough. Let us smoke off away from everyone and die out.

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    You did that with alcohol. Prohibition does not work. It isn’t working with drugs; it will never work with cigarettes either.

    spauldo, (edited )

    Prohibition works most of the time. Do you know where to get your hands on some black tar heroin? I don’t, nor do most people.

    Prohibition of alcohol took something that was popular and made it illegal. Of course it failed. Making tobacco illegal would fail if they did it for everyone. I’m suggesting they make it illegal for people who aren’t already addicted to it.

    Edit: heroin, not heroine. Thanks, autocorrect.

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    I have no idea what black tar heroin is, but I am fairly sure I could find someone who sells drugs of any type locally. As I said the war on drugs has failed. Watch this video from an ex-UK policeman. This is what happens when you make things illegal.

    spauldo,

    The fact that you don’t know what it is is proof enough that the prohibition against it works. I have no interest in watching your video.

    And besides, you’re missing the point. Prohibition of tobacco is coming. I’m not arguing in its favor. I’m suggesting that if they must prohibit tobacco, they phase it out instead of banning it outright.

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    Prohibition of tobacco is coming.

    I have never seen Labour push this policy and Sunak has no time. I feel you are deluded on this one. I should add I am very much an anti smoking person. I just see this as a sensible option.

    spauldo,

    I would love to be wrong on that, but I don’t think I am.

    Uncle_Bagel,

    Kids are already not allowed to smoke or purchase nicotine products but millions of teenagers are still addicted to nicotine and vape like crazy. How can you enforce a ban for an entire age group? And how could you possibly justify an arbitrary ban that allows half the population to purchase and consume something and prohibits the ither half? A law that bans women from purchasing tobacco because it is harmful for a fetus would be struck down by every court in the nation, so why would a ban that discriminates against adults based kn age be any different?

    spauldo,

    Well, I guess we’ll just make it illegal for everyone and the old timers like me just have to deal with it. Thanks, I hate it.

    anthoniix,

    Good

    DeathsEmbrace,

    Ban alcohol too or it’s hypocrisy once again.

    umbrella,

    ban every single drug and watch how wrong its gonna go

    they simply cannot stop repeating the mistakes of the past can they

    aceshigh,
    @aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

    banning is never the answer. people will migrate to a different dissociative substance and it’ll increase bootlegs and criminal activity.

    jasory,

    This doesn’t matter. The question is whether a ban constitutes a greater social harm than legalisation. The fact that people can evade the ban doesn’t matter, after all murder is illegal but people still do it (at a much lower rate).

    force,

    Yea the one reason I’m against flat out legalization of every drug (only wanting decriminalization) is because people who shouldn’t have access to the drug would have significantly easier access to the drug (just having someone buy it for them). Primarily kids, since they practically constantly do that with cigarettes and alcohol and have started especially doing it recently with vapes and weed as weed has become less and less banned. I’m pretty confident a majority of high schoolers vape and that’s because they’re very easy to legally get and therefore they usually have someone buy them for them, and also a lot just get sold vapes by the vendors anyways and neither the vendor nor the buyer really stand a chance of getting caught just because of how little you can do to actually control that (without relying on a bunch of kids just going and telling cops “this place sold us vapes”)

    Kids obviously aren’t immune to doing crack or heroin now but if it were just legalized it’d make sense that the amount of them abusing it illegally would become wayyyy higher. And that really IS a (big) problem, unlike shit like books that don’t follow a certain agenda or drag queen story hour. It could screw up a large portion of the population for their young life. Best you could do to prevent such effects is teach how to be safe with drugs and how to prevent/reduce certain bad things from happening (already good idea anyways), and to implement draconian (and expensive & time/resource consuming) measures that would make monitoring all the children & drug stores extremely closely at almost all times a possibility so you could nip the bud of any absurdities like adults giving/selling drugs to students early on.

    I see just decriminalization as not much of a risk because you aren’t basically enabling businesses everywhere to (legally) sell these drugs, which would generally make it more accessible to kids, you’re just making it so doing drugs won’t get you fucked by the authorities and destroy your life in an unnecessary way through prison “rehabilitation” (slavery aimed not to rehabilitate but just to make money off the prisoners with little regard for their rehabilitation or their life), or just getting shot/falsely arrested by cops, or maybe stopping false searches too.

    jasory,

    I agree to a point. However I think that decriminalisation fails to recognise that drug courts are quite effective at rehabilitation. It’s important to minimise the effects of imprisonment and criminal record for drug offences that way individuals always have an opportunity to higher income careers. (Although from my experience, competitive jobs markets ignore drug felonies and sometimes even violent felonies). The solution isn’t to completely defang the state and just hope that people decide to quit drugs while dealing with all the problems they cause along the way. States need to have some ability to pressure individuals to rehabilitation.

    The latter part of your comment is just leftist conspiracism. The percentage of false arrests is heavily out weighed by guilty parties getting away. You can easily find this by both reading papers on it or just going to your local homeless shelter and talking to people. An encounter with police is much more likely to involve you getting away with a crime than falsely accused.

    Prison labor is also not profitable, the majority of prisons are publicly run. The idea that high incarceration rates are because the state somehow makes money by enslaving people is completely false.

    umbrella,

    the problem is how that ban is evaded.

    historically this creates drug lords and an illegal drug trade

    loutr,
    @loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m very pro-legalization but honestly tobacco is a shit drug. No real high, very addictive and awful health effects. I don’t see many people going through the hassle of maintaining their addiction illegally if it was banned everywhere.

    umbrella, (edited )

    I don’t see many people going through the hassle of maintaining their addiction illegally

    Tobacco addicts are on another level. I’ve met people who kicked cocaine but couldn’t quit cigs.

    Shit, where I live cigarettes are expensive and there is already a gray market for untaxed tobacco.

    MrScottyTay,

    You could say its harder to quit cigs because it’s more publicly available though.

    DogMuffins,

    I think the reason tobacco is so hard to kick is just because there’s no immediate deleterious effects. Why quit this week when you could quit next week or next month?

    loutr,
    @loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I know, I am one :( But I also know that if I had to go to a dealer to buy cigarettes, I couldn’t smoke in public and it was as socially frowned upon as hard drugs I’d have a much easier time quitting.

    ours,

    Checks history

    Wait a minute…

    andthenthreemore,

    How would that even work? You can easily make alcohol at home, can’t exactly do that with tobacco.

    Psythik,

    I’m sure you could just grow your own tobacco at home if you really wanted to. Like how people grow their own weed.

    andthenthreemore,

    True. I should have said it’s not something you could easily do.

    GoodGrief_HowDareYou,

    You can buy tobacco seeds off of Amazon, they just need daily watering, stable temps and good lighting if memory serves

    azurefirefly, (edited )
    @azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

    Thank god. Hope this gets passed. Next do vaping and get rid of it

    SouthEndSunset,

    draws on vape whats wrong with vaping? draws on vape

    SnipingNinja,

    I actually want to know, because every complaint against vape that I have seen has been about the nicotine ones, which are more prevalent for sure but I want to know if non nicotine vapes are also bad.

    lorty,
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    Something about leaving oils and other fluids in the lung that damage it really fast.

    Dontfearthereaper123, (edited )

    U don’t vape oils for that reason ur vaping the same thing as in fog machines. They rnt harmless but they rnt even close to half as deadly as cigs either. Vaping has had alot of fear mongering around it such as popcorn lung. which has never occurred from vaping only extreme oral ingestion or inhalation of the actual powdered flavouring component has caused that, i feel sure enough abt this to add the ingredient to selfmade eliquids. The oils ur referring to are most likely vitamin e acetate and mct both cause oil build up in lungs when vaped, that’s not disputed, but they haven’t been used in commercial eliquids for years.

    Edit: I forgot to add that so far the worst I’ve found w vaping is an increased risk for copd but fsr less than cigarettes and itll only raise if we force vapers onto the black market with unregulated eliquid, it also seems to correspond to nicotine level. My source is I researched eliquid components harm fairly indepthly to choose the best ingredients for my own liquid.

    Dontfearthereaper123, (edited )

    I’d reckon ur at a higher risk of developing lung conditions but not as high as smoking and most likely lower than nicotine vapes judging from the research. Vaping would probably be one of the more harmful things you do in your day but i doubt its the most. If ur worried abt the oil, refer to my reply to that comment. I would like you to see the research yourself tho and develop your own opinion as it may be different from mine even though we looked at the same data.

    Gamey,

    Nicotine vapes are a decent way to stop smoking (using one myself) but other than that it’s basically just harmful bs. Vape liquids include all kinds of garbage that increase lung conditions of all kinds, especially in the US where they are underregulated af!

    quadropiss,

    People saying that’s a good decision are simply unqualified to talk about it, they’re completely clueless and willingly ignorant, just like sunak and his fking delusional confidence. How is it not obvious that people will refer to black market tobacco? Has history AND WHATS HAPPENING LIKE RIGHT NOW IN GOD DAMN REAL TIME not fking taught you all what banning drugs does? Because of people like you other people will die. That’s also YOUR responsibility, not just theirs. It’s YOU who affect their decision. And it’s not just the fact that it’s black market and people will just die, it’s also the fact that underground, potentially mafia-like organisations will have MORE POWER. You all LEGIT make me believe in totalitarian governments. I simply can not handle the confident ignorance.

    Like imagine a society where 1/4 of the population is forced to quit cold turkey. Y’all are fking insane

    OKRainbowKid,

    I think it’s a good decision.

    quadropiss,

    Well maybe think a bit better idk? Maybe learn to read too? Cuz I literally pointed out objective (emphasis on this word) reasons why that’s a bad idea

    OKRainbowKid,

    It’s a great idea actually.

    quadropiss,

    Imagine trying to troll people on this topic😐 bruh

    Buchenstr,

    The fact rushi sunak is brutally cutting down on the NHS, and benefits for the general populace, those who are addicted will simply be blamed. It’s such a textbook tactic and has been used for decades now.

    quadropiss,

    AND PEOPLE ARE EATING IT UP😭 I simply do not want to live in a world like this

    cybirdman, (edited )

    It’s very easy to compare this to The Prohibition but the reality is alcohol is much more popular than tobacco. For someone who doesn’t drink, understanding the appeal of drinking in a social setting is way easier. With this law I don’t think there is a need for a black market of tobacco like there was with alcohol as it will still be available to purchase, just more controlled. The effect will be a reduction in exposure in younger generations that simply won’t find the need to start smoking. This works and in my province of Quebec since laws have been getting stricter the only people that still smoke are poor or raised by heavy smoker parents.

    driving_crooner,
    @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    Also, doing home made alcohol is pretty easy and pretty dangerous too, this is why is better to have it legal, regulated and restricted. Try to grow up your own tobacco.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    Growing tobacco is surprisingly easy depending on your environment, I guess. I know it definitely grows in the desert where I lived at the time.

    The harder part is actually curing it correctly after harvesting it. The curing process requires the right humidity and temperature and takes a while.

    driving_crooner,
    @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    You still gonna need a lot of time and effort to growth enough for normal consumption.

    ikidd,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    Smoking is still more popular than soft drugs, and the same prohibition logic argues against marijauna laws quite nicely.

    quadropiss,

    “WELL WHAT ABOUT” shut up, oh shut up. Ban drug = force people to do unsafe things to get an unsafe version of the drug. It’s simple. That’s how it worked, that’s how it works RIGHT NOW, and that’s how it will continue to work unless something fundamental changes in the society. Exposure won’t be reduced. Kids get tobacco illegally anyways. Nothing is changing for them. Next step after that is underground production of tobacco products which means PEOPLE WILL DIE

    Dontfearthereaper123,

    My first cigarette was bought from a black market dealer involved with the uda my countries main drug gang. Prohibition doesn’t work

    atyaz,

    Did you read the article? The legislation steadily increases the legal age limit so that kids don’t get hooked on tobacco in the first place. No one will have to “quit cold turkey”.

    One of the biggest issues with the war on drugs is that it criminalizes the use of certain drugs. This doesn’t do that.

    As for your claim about a black market and a mafia:

    we have already taken steps to reduce smoking rates. This includes providing 1 million smokers in England with free vape kits via our world-first ‘swap to stop’ scheme

    They’re still providing people with tobacco, just a less-deadly kind. Comparing that to the war on drugs is ridiculous. The point of the war on drugs isn’t to get people to quit using dangerous drugs recreationally, every reasonable person wants that. The point of it is to control minorities and poor people. That’s absolutely not what’s happening here.

    None of this is to defend Sunak btw, he’s a broken clock that happens to be right in this instance.

    quadropiss,

    You left out the part where kids get tobacco anyways and this will just make it unsafe for them and that WILL cost their lives. It WILL kill someone’s child.

    Btw war on tobacco is war on drugs. Tobacco is a drug. Making it irrelevant in people’s minds is the way, not formally banning it

    Rand0mA,

    Do it. First decision I’ve heard him make that isn’t about making profit for himself… unless he has invested in vape shops … ah that makes more sense. Fuck Rishi

    quadropiss,

    YES WASTE MORE MONEH ON WAR ON DRUGS!!! It’s not like it’s completely ineffective and is literally killing people🥰😜

    PP_BOY_, (edited )
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    we have already taken steps to reduce smoking rates. This includes providing 1 million smokers in England with free vape kits via our world-first ‘swap to stop’ scheme

    Which family member do you think invested heavily in whichever company got the contract for these vapes?

    obinice,
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    About bloody time. Cigarettes are disgusting and do nothing but immense harm to those who smoke them, and those around them.

    Sunak is a tosser, but cigarettes are a no brainer. Sure, old boomers still smoke them, but only the dumbest young people still smoke, and most of them use e-cigs (which are still bad, but nowhere remotely near as bad).

    Several of my grandparents died before I could ever know them because of smoking, for example. Fuck smoking. Smoking kills.

    some_guy,

    Two of my grandparents died before my birth because they smoked. I smoked. I still vape. I hate that companies make money on addiction. This is still stupid.

    ours,

    The lesser evil is well-regulated companies than whatever-goes black market sources.

    mtchristo,

    Alcohol is a bigger problem in the UK.

    arefx,

    Alcohol is a problem most places. Best thing I ever did for myself was quit drinking entirely.

    andthenthreemore,

    Not drinking at all and drinking far less is actually trending up significantly with younger demographics in the UK. It’s the older generations who’ve got the real problems. A law like this wouldn’t do anything to help with that.

    Laser,

    I wouldn’t count too much on younger generations drinking less forever. Smoking was in decline here for years for younger demographics but recently went back up. The same might happen for alcohol. You never know.

    Vode_An,

    Tried going cold Turkey today, made it like 14 hours.

    It’s the right thing to do. It’s a very hard addiction to escape. I know a guy who beat heroin and can’t beat nicotine.

    SpeedLimit55,

    It took me years to quit, I slowly cut cigs out of my daily activities.

    Vode_An,

    Good on you! That’s awesome. thankfully I’m not inhaling anything anymore, but damn if it’s hard to quit the substance entirely. Big ups to everyone who made it out though.

    SpeedLimit55,

    Yeah its tough, just do your best and stick with it. Now my only nicotine is from a cigar a few times a year.

    Vode_An,

    Nice, what type? I’m not a cigar guy, but if I ever encounter a Cohiba I’m going to try it.

    SpeedLimit55,

    Just random cigars from samplers like Rocky Patel, Oliva, Romeo y Julieta. Had a Cohiba my buddy brought back a while back. It was good but not mind blowing.

    jagungal,

    I knew someone who kicked a cocaine habit and stopped drinking alcohol, but died of cancer because he couldn’t quit smoking.

    flathead,

    One day at a time. Keep trying. It’s absolutely worth it.

    DogMuffins,

    I recently quit. I’m about 6 weeks since my last patch. A relapse is exceedingly unlikely.

    Going cold turkey would never have worked for me. Cut down > switch to patches > taper off.

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