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Yoz, in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

As a Brit I hate fucking scandinavians. They smell like spoiled milk.🤢

tun, in ‘Fighting is all around’: Myanmar faces deepening humanitarian crisis

Since the coup, it (Myanmar military) has bombed schools, hospitals and displacement camps across the country, burned tens of thousands of homes, and committed widespread atrocities including torture and mass executions, according to the UN.

Squizzy, in IOC boss says individual athletes cannot be punished for acts of their governments, defending move to allow Russians and Belarusians to compete as neutrals

The Russians have been cheating for how long anyway!? I’d never trust a win from them. Olympics is shite now

TimewornTraveler, in South Korea to increase defense spending over five years

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VeteransAreScum,

Don’t speak in alien here

DiscordMod1990,

Dude don’t speak in alien 👾👽

bartolomeo, in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

Is there any way to verify the claim or does it rest on AFA’s credibility?

some_guy,

People have posted links to the database in this discussion.

peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I think they mean verify that it came from that site and isn’t just a list of random people

bartolomeo,

Right

Tosti, in US Troops are Occupying Syria's Oil Fields. Congress Refuses to Withdraw Them
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

Yes, the Kurds are pumping up the oil and using it to fund their military machine. Hence the strained relationship with Turkey… They really dislike Kurds.

The US denies oil revenue to a crazy dictator selling it to fund his crazy antics and prevents Russian proxies from capturing the fields to fund their crazy antics all with minimal troops.

It’s not as if the alternative would be that the oil revenue is used to buy happyness, health and prosperity for the Syrian people.

PanArab,

Oil stealing thieves

Tosti, in IOC boss says individual athletes cannot be punished for acts of their governments, defending move to allow Russians and Belarusians to compete as neutrals
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

He is wrong though. And this a-political stance is the opposite of why the Olympics was started. Fight in sports not on the battlefield!

Vilian,

exactly, these countries take pride when winning, no more pride for them,ç

brain_in_a_box,

Wait, are you saying he’s wrong and that individuals should be punished for acts of their government?

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

Well, you can really zoom in on the individual, and decide. But if the person is in the military, or completely on the Russian government’s dime, they are spokespeople for that government. That government is not welcome, by extension the athlestes are not welcome. The olympics should not be a platform for idols of the russian federation to gain a platform.

brain_in_a_box,

Will that standard be applied consistently? Will USA athletes be punished for the acts of their government? British? Saudi? Isreali?

Because it not, it becomes clear that this has nothing to do with principles and everything to do with politics.

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar
brain_in_a_box,

Err, no. All countries should be held to an equivalent standard.

Saltycracker, in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

Why is do they never explain what makes it neo nazi.

Mongostein,

Neo = new

Nazi = Nazi

So, they’re not the old nazis, but they’re still flying swastikas and preaching the destruction of “inferior races”

jimmydoreisalefty, in 57% Gaza and 82% Wedt Bank residents agree with Oct Hamas attack

Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.

Arab allies of the U.S. have said they’ll only get involved in post-war reconstruction if there’s a credible push toward a two-state solution, which is unlikely under the Netanyahu government dominated by opponents of Palestinian statehood.

Shikaki said that Gaza residents are more critical of Hamas than those in the West Bank, that support for Hamas typically spikes during periods of armed conflict before leveling out, and that even now most Palestinians do not back the militant group.

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.

Shikaki said the most popular politician remains Marwan Barghouti, a prominent figure in Abbas’ Fatah movement who is serving multiple life terms in an Israeli prison for his alleged role in several deadly attacks during the second Palestinian uprising two decades ago. In a two-way presidential race, Ismail Haniyeh, the exiled political leader of Hamas, would trounce Abbas while in a three-way race, Barghouti would be ahead just slightly, the pollster said.

Overall, 88% want Abbas to resign, up by 10 percentage points from three months ago. In the West Bank, 92% called for the resignation of the octogenarian who has presided over an administration widely seen as corrupt, autocratic and ineffective.

DogMuffins, in 57% Gaza and 82% Wedt Bank residents agree with Oct Hamas attack

Wait, you mean when we genocide people they become radicalised and support whatever organisation with defend them? I’m shocked.

skeezix, (edited )

Hamas fucked around and found out. You think they should fuck around some more?

Downvote if you think so.

brain_in_a_box,

Just like the Warsaw uprising

neuropean,

You don’t need genocide to radicalize people. Look at the US.

SkybreakerEngineer,

That crowd literally thinks immigration is a plot to genocide white people

explodicle,

But we did have a genocide

rivermonster,

Wait, you mean when you commit war crimes and murder 1200+ civilians, it creates support for the right wing hawks, and there are repercussions? I’m shocked!

When you indiscriminately lob rockets into civilians population centers of a country eith a superior military you get bloodied? No fucking way!

PanArab, (edited ) in 57% Gaza and 82% Wedt Bank residents agree with Oct Hamas attack
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

My heart goes out to the people in Gaza. We have let them down. Liberation doesn’t come cheap and they are paying the price alone.

No Algerian today would say the war for liberation was wrong. But it cost Algerians 1.5 million, 45k were killed in one day by the French. I don’t think there were ever a freedom that was won for a little cost. From Vietnam to South Africa to Afghanistan, always had to pay more than the colonizers and invaders in human lives.

PanArab, in Qatar sent millions to Gaza for years – with Israel’s backing
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Gaza has 2.3 million and Hamas isn’t just a militia. They are a political party that legally and fairly won elections and called for elections that the PA keeps delaying and are the government in Gaza.

cameron_vale, in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

When they came for the neo-nazis I said nothing.

seejur,

And then when they came for you… joking no one intolerant enough to come for someone else was left.

cameron_vale,

I’m too high to parse that

Sanyanov,

When they didn’t come for neo-nazis, neo-nazis came for you.

ergifruit, in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

as a Norse pagan, i want to kick every last one of these freaks in the dick. we need to work even harder to get these braindead removed away from our spaces. a reminder to all our other pagan friends: if you let a cockroach into your home, it will nest.

SpiceyDejarik,

I once went to a pagan pride festival and noticed that the vendor with Norse stuff had “No Nazis” signs up. Up to that point, I didn’t know that Nazis had infiltrated Norse paganism. It sucks and it makes me worry about my daughter’s boyfriend who is really into Norse pagan stuff. I hope I have raised her well enough that she will punch him in the dick if he starts in on any neo-Nazi shit.

Facebones, (edited ) in The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

I’ve blocked all the nazis trying to engage with me saying nazis aren’t bad so I’ll just say this in a TLC and block more nazis when they reply -

It’s funny that all the people calling ME evil for not considering the nuances of various people’s nazi ideology… Are the same people who think women should die for wearing jeans, and that people should die for having a different religion, or die for not sharing a skin tone…

Nazis are nazis are nazis. If your world view was so different, spoilers, you wouldn’t identify with nazis. 🤷

FUCK NAZIS.

Dr_DOOM_,

I like you!

Facebones,

I like you, buddy.

mob,

Nazis are obviously bad, but this comment makes me think that anyone you don’t like/like their comments/replies, you consider a Nazi?

cameron_vale,

Who do you supposed killed more people. The Nazis or the USA?

mob,

What a strange and leading question.

cameron_vale,

Some hard numbers might add clarity to this soup of outraging.

mob,

I’m confused by the whole comment line. Do I seem like I’m outraging, or have any strong opinions any way that needs to be clarified?

cameron_vale,

Focus on answering the question. It aids clarity.

mob,

It’s an irrelevant question leading into a off topic point that you’d like to make. If you’d like to deliver a point, go ahead and comment it. Not my job to try and land your point for you though.

cameron_vale,

Suit yourself.

Oderus,

I see you took the cowards way to avoid an argument.

Lianodel,

That user was cowardly from the jump. It’s why they wouldn’t outright make their point, but “just ask questions.”

Cowbee,

Per Capita, in total, Per capita per year, or total per year? Each of these 4 types has a different answer, and the Nazis were higher in nearly every metric of slaughter.

The US is bad. The US has never been fully fascist, despite flirting with it. Nazi Germany was perhaps the most evil and oppressive country to ever exist in history, and certainly was for the 20th century.

What exactly is your point? Nazis are bad, but so is the US? I don’t think too many people on Lemmy are fans of the US, but to insinuate that the Nazis are somehow more palatable by being compared to the US is absurd.

cameron_vale,

Ooh, evasive. Which metric did USA win? And by how much?

Just delivering a dose of sanity to this low hanging fruit salad.

Of course nazis are bad. But you people. Look at you. Frothing on command. Bunch of drones waiting for your target programming.

Cowbee,

Odd to call it “winning,” but the answer is “historical total.” The US has murdered tens of millions more over its several hundred year history than Nazi Germany killed in the less than half a century it existed.

It isn’t sanity to pretend that hundreds of years of brutal history are equally comparable to an extremely condensed period of the single most brutal country to exist in modern history. Nazism is far more evil than liberalism, even if liberalism is still inevitably evil.

cameron_vale, (edited )

Oh how you evade my point.

Remember. A few years of deprivation, a rousing propaganda campaign and a billionaire’s funding, and you too might become the next “bad guy”.

Heck, none of these people ever saw a nazi outside of a videogame, and look at their passion. Puppets looking for a master.

Cowbee,

I’ll make it simple for you: Nazis are bad.

cameron_vale,

Were they born bad?

Cowbee,

When one becomes a Nazi, they cease to be able to be considered good.

cameron_vale,

Oh just answer the simple question

Cowbee,

Why? You keep trying to dodge that your central point is that people should stop saying Nazis are bad, because the US exists. It’s absurd and nothing more needs to be said, you aren’t willing to engage in fair or meaningful convo

cameron_vale,

But that isn’t my central point my obtuse buddy.

My central point is that it’s complicated. Because reality is complicated. And the difference between a nazi and a regular person is much smaller than you think.

Cowbee,

Nazis are evil. Simple.

cameron_vale,

That would make a good videogame

sarmale,

No, they were born innocent, when they became nazis they became bad

cameron_vale,

Ah so they changed. Why did they change?

sarmale,

I dont know, maybe the had bad experiences with something or maybe they just became so because surroundings? But why does it matter?

cameron_vale,

It matters because it’s the difference between them and you.

So if we had bad experiences then maybe we would be nazis.

That idea makes my head spin.

sarmale,

They probably had a lot of choiches to make tho, That idea makes me think too but its not like they were predestined or something

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Criminals aren’t born bad, they have to break the law which is a social contract.

Tolerance is also a social contract that Nazis have opted out of.

Fuck Nazis.

cameron_vale,

Ya I saw that movie too.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

The one where the Nazis get stomped in the 20th century or the one where the Nazis get stomped in the 21st century?

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Ooh, evasive. Which metric did USA win? And by how much?

If you knew anything about what you were talking about you would already know.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Nazis love dehumanizing people

Bunch of drones

Go on and tell us how much better you are than a Nazi.

cameron_vale,

You realize that calling people nazis is dehumanizing too, right?

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Nazi is a subclassification of humans, it actually does the opposite of dehumanizing by more thoroughly defining the human/humanity relationship.

But if me saying “fuck Nazis” gets you riled up so be it 🫡

mob,

Even without defining those parameters, I also thought it was sort of strange to compare a political party vs country.

Cowbee,

It’s all strange. What’s the point? “Hmmm, you think Nazis are bad? Have you considered that other countries are bad but significantly less bad? Checkmate!” It’s just terminally online.

mob,

Oh yeah, at it’s root, it was already bad.

I’m always interested in a decent discussion or thought experiment though, even if I completely disagree with the other person. 99% are so lazy nowadays it’s not even interesting reading their copy/paste comments that have been recycled for the last decade

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

If the bar for being a Nazi is merely killing people many of us would be Nazis. Personally I think nazihood has more to do with a wish to genocide (the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.).

cameron_vale, (edited )

Normal people just want to pay their bills and get high. But sometimes life gets fucked up and people are stressed out.

Then some politicians come along with a story about how those guys with the different skin/religion/etc are to blame.

And then some rich guys buy you some guns.

So maybe it’s the politicians and the rich guys that we should be looking at.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

So maybe it’s the politicians and the rich guys that we should be looking at.

You don’t need money or power to be a deadbeat fucking Nazi.

Facebones,

I think people who defend nazis, their right to believe in nazi ideology, and argue that nazis are overall fine people are nazis or nazi apologists which are equally unwelcome in my circles and consciousness. Sorry, I’m not going to feel bad for hurting nazi feelings.

You can reply to this and “um actually” all you want about nazis, but if you’re pro-nazi, I’m gonna block you. Easy peasy.

brbposting,

Gotta do my part and never block anybody so I can advocate for e.g. defederating nazinstances.

It ain’t much, but…

negativeyoda,

So wild that this is a hot take these days

tryagain,

Make Nazis Windchimes Again.

jabjoe,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Your right to not tolerate intolerance.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Cowbee,

There are people siding with Nazis and reporting this post for doxxing, lol

rab,

You remind me of one of my friends who uses the word nazi so much it’s basically lost all its weight

Cowbee,

Imagine getting mad at someone saying Nazis are bad. I wouldn’t be caught dead getting upset that someone was saying Nazis are bad, lmao

rab,

What annoys me is throwing the word around like it’s nothing, dude calls pretty much anyone a nazi lol

For example, I was called a nazi for saying maybe Canada is taking too many immigrants at once

Cowbee,

Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn’t dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.

Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word “Nazi” is thrown around like it’s nothing is actually overblown, and usually it’s correctly thrown.

rab,

Maybe my friends are dumb but the far left ones love using the word whenever possible

Cowbee,

Usually the far left calls everyone a liberal, it’s liberals that call conservatives Nazis. The far left usually calls actual fascists Nazis.

rab,

Yeah I’m economically far left but socially I lean a little further right, which has gotten me called a nazi before, which is ridiculous if you actually know me haha

Cowbee,

To be fair, understanding the damage of hierarchy economically while simultaneously rejecting intersectionality and upholding it socially is an extremely fringe view to have. Socialists with conservative social views are very rare in developed countries and online.

rab,

Tldr I’m a pantheist who believes there are simply too many people on planet earth and I’m also very intolerant towards most religions, I guess that would make you want to call me an ecofascist which I don’t really identify with either, but it’s a lot less infuriating than being called a nazi

Cowbee,

Isn’t it funny how when you add context, “maybe Canada is taking in too many immigrants at once” turns into “yea, I’m probably better described as an ecofascist even if I don’t like the way that sounds, and I am intolerant and believe in overpopulation?”

All I’m saying is that my suspicion was a lot closer to being correct. Ecofascism is far closer to Nazism than mere “immigration too quick” ploys, and it makes sense to call you a fascist in that context.

Maybe reconsider your positions if they even put you in the vicinity of fascism? Just a hint.

rab,

So you think the earth can sustain an infinite amount of people? Lol

Cowbee,

Since when did disagreeing with the idea that the Earth is currently at or reaching overpopulation levels equivalent to thinking that those levels don’t exist?

You could move far, far away from Nazism and Ecofascism, and join EcoMarxists. No intolerance, no lack of intersectionality, and a true leftist movement, rather than a far-right fascist movement.

rab,

Religion is either just a cult or a business and we should be intolerant towards it just as much as Nazism imo. I am tolerant towards most things but if you believe in a man in the sky I am going to think less of you

I think we are already overpopulated, it’s easy to see from the biodiversity the planet is losing. If there were a button I could press that would kill myself and millions of other people without discrimination or pain I would press it, but that’s an impossible idea

Cowbee,

Just don’t be a fascist, buddy. Get help.

rab,

You admitted above that earth cannot sustain infinite people so we’re kind of on the same page here. What is your idea when that limit is reached?

Cowbee,

Not genocide, lol.

rab,

What’s the other option? Convincing people to willingly off themselves? Lol

Facebones,

You remind me of apologists who argue somebody can’t be a nazi even though they spout the ideology and use the language, because they aren’t on record saying “I heart Hitler” three times in a mirror.

rab,

I dunno someone called me a nazi recently at my university for wearing a burzum shirt for example lol

Word is definitely getting thrown around a lot these days

Facebones,

It’s not coincidence, there’s alot more nazis running around on some nazi shit. By the way in case you didn’t know, while I don’t recall it coming up in the music (I have a Burzum CD around here somewhere) but - Burzum/Varg was increasingly on some nazi/white nationalist shit, so it’s not some “fuckin LiBrUlZ” conspiracy to call everybody a nazi, you were just wearing a shirt associated with nazi shit. 🤷

rab,

I know who varg is. It’s impossible to listen to black metal and entirely avoid this kind of thing. I was wearing a hvis lyset tar oss shirt, there are no such themes on the album, and I bought the shirt way before varg went full nazi on YouTube (it’s counterfeit anyway so he got nothing from me)

The only black metal I avoid are ones where nazi themes are explicitly in the lyrics

Do digging on the people behind any black metal band and you’ll probably find something similar, it’s extreme music made by extreme people

Facebones,

You’re missing the point - you weren’t called a nazi cause you were wearing a sccarryy black metal tee. You were called a nazi for wearing a nazi’s tee.

Whatevs, you’ve made it abundantly clear that you’re being intentionally obtuse in defense of nazis so I’m over it. Bye Felicia.

vxx,

I would advise to call them Neo-Nazis instead of Nazis. Most Nazis are dead and Neo-Nazis are given too much distraction by giving them this easy excuse.

aniki,

That’s such a stupid fucking argument to nit pick it’s almost absurd.

Nazis is as Nazis does. Adding a prefix changes nothing.

vxx,

You’re relativising Nazis this way and are also making it way too easy to not take you serious.

aniki,

Says the dude downplaying titles.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

oh no, the fucking Nazis don’t take us seriously, we’re so screwed

-nobody

some_guy,

Check Talia Levin’s book, Culture Warlords. She spent a year undercover online as a far-right personality and wrote about the encounters she experienced. It was a rough time, clearly. She’s in the punch-a-nazi camp and reading her book landed me there at the end.

Lianodel,

Also, just to see if they have even the tiniest bit of plausible deniability, I checked out Midgard’s shop. There’s overtly white supremacist shit ALL OVER the place.

It’s not like these people accidentally supported a band with reprehensible beliefs behind the scenes. It’s not like a totally normal music shop turned out to be a front for white supremacists. There’s note even any serious argument about “separating art from the artist.” The leak includes what people bought, and you can tell when someone bought overtly white supremacist music. And even if they didn’t, and the band or album name doesn’t give anything away, what’s it doing at the Nazi store? Why isn’t it streaming, or on Bandcamp, or self-distributed? These customers still had to know there’s an obscure Nazis music store, what it’s called and where to find it, confirm that it’s a Nazi store the moment they went there, and still give them money and their address to place a mail order. Oh, some of them aren’t native English speakers? Then that just makes it even more damning that they did all this with a language barrier in place!

Plus, just look at the apologists in this thread. They’re fucking cowards. They can’t just come out with their beliefs, so they’re just asking questions, deflecting from the topic. One is concern trolling for the fundamental humanity of literal Nazis, despite the fact that the main fucking problem with Nazis is that they considered marginalized groups subhuman. Where’s the concern there? Why the focus on the people who oppose Nazis rather than the Nazis themselves? Another one could barely resist giving the game away by saying they’ve been called a Nazi before because of their anti-immigrant positions.

The people defending this shop and its customers aren’t serious people. They’re dishonest, cowardly, and stupid.

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