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Manmoth, in 75.92% turnout in Cuba’s legislative elections

Cuba is extremely poor and most people would flee to any more advanced economy regardless of it’s moral values for the opportunity to have a better life.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Nobody said that the struggle against a despotic empire would be easy.

Manmoth,

The Cuban people are smart. Even cursory investigation reveals that Cubas centrally planned economy is a failure and the people are sick of it. The whole ‘Communism vs Capitalism’ debate is immaterial and a luxury for academics.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

A cursory investigation reveals the opposite to be true. Cuba managed to thrive despite all the efforts of US to topple communism there, and the government is broadly supported by the people. Thinking that the debate regarding who should own the means of production and whose interest they should be operated in is immaterial is an incredibly idiotic statement.

Please spend sometime to educate yourself on the subject you’re attempting to debate instead of making a fool of yourself in public.

Manmoth,

Lol you and I have very different definitions of ‘thrive’. I assume you’re talking about living off of subsidies from other countries while miserably failing to produce and distribute goods at a level that anyway equates with the rest of the modern world?

making a fool of myself in public

No worries. I can take a ‘shaming’ from you I’ll survive. I can’t say the same for Cuban refugees trying to escape on john boats and other improvised watercrafts. I assume they are trying to reach the US to tell us how awesome Cuba is.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

In the real world people of Cuba are more satisfied with their government than Americans.

And it’s not hard to understand why given that a quarter of the population is starving in US. 64% of Americans live hand to mouth. 37% work two full time jobs, and an average person has around 100k debt. If that’s your idea of a functioning economy you should get your head checked.

Manmoth,

If you’re looking for a Western apologist look elsewhere. That being said ‘food insecurity’ is in no way comparable to starving. We have the fattest poor people on the planet. There are a million and one ways to get food in the United States regardless of how broke you are. Also the inflation driving the ‘hand to mouth’ argument in the article is driven primarily by financial irresponsibility by the central planners in the US. Money printer go brrr.

The “overemployment” article is referring specifically to remote workers. That’s not to keep up with inflation. That’s free money. A ton of people started doing that during covid. Ive been at companies where they had to fire people because they weren’t doing anything and just collecting a check. It was a huge joke online for over a year. I’m not denying that there are people that work two jobs but a lot of that is because they are competing with an endless deluge of low skilled labor pouring into the country everyday.

The problem with American debt is most of it is unsecured student debt. 300k mortgage debt is healthy if you have collateral. The solution is simple. Don’t give 18 year olds 100k loans. When the government guarantees a loan for anything the price for that thing will increase dramatically in an economy driven by greed.

I’m the first one to say that the US should be more protective of the worker and stymie limitless immigration that undercuts the value of work but Communism or whatever term you feel like using to justify a centrally planned economy is equally wrong in the opposite direction. The answer is unsatisfying but it’s a mix. How that mix is proportioned will depend on the culture of the people and what they value. Then as a people they can decide what to incentivize. At some point though you have to give individuals the ability to reap what they personally have sowed even if it is more (or less) than their neighbor.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

You can spin it however you like, but the reality is that a quarter of people in US don’t have enough food to eat. There are tent cities all across the country due to rampant homelessness. Healthcare in inaccessible and regularly bankrupts people. Cuba has none of these problems. In fact, Cuba ranks as world’s most sustainable developed country.

Communism works while capitalism creates failed states like the US. That’s the reality of the world.

realcaseyrollins,
@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com avatar

@yogthos @Manmoth Is a better place to live than the ?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

You have to specify for whom US or Cuba is a better place to live. Millions of people in US have far worse lives than people in Cuba despite the fact that US has an incomparable amount of wealth. Given the resources that Cuba has available to it, there is no question that Cuba does a much better job than US ensuring that they’re used to improve the lives of the majority.

pingveno, in 75.92% turnout in Cuba’s legislative elections

Why are they calling this an election when the people have only one choice? It looks like nothing more than a farce.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

That comment shows such an infantile understanding of democracy. Having a single party simply means that Cuba decided on the approach how to do things, which is communism. There are lots of different approaches you can take towards achieving the goals within that scope.

Elections with one party have exact same purpose as elections with multiple parties. The citizens select candidates based on their ideas and proposals. The main difference in a multiparty system is that people still haven’t figured out what the right way to run the economy is, and each time a different party gets elected they pull things in a different direction. This is why it’s practically impossible to do any large scale projects in the west.

pingveno,

So if they wanted a different approach, how would voting express that?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Go read up on Deng reforms in China which introduced aspects of capitalism into the system. It’s worth noting that nothing equivalent would be possible in a western style democracy. It’s absolutely unthinkable for any western country to integrate aspects of Marxism into the system.

pingveno,

Bob’s Red Mill is owned by its employees. Providing shares as part of compensation is fairly common. Does that not qualify as integrating aspects of Marxism (workers owning the means of production), albeit implemented in a different way?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

It would really help for you to actually learn the basics of what Marxism is.

if_you_can_keep_it,

The main difference in a multiparty system is that people still haven’t figured out what the right way to run the economy is, and each time a different party gets elected they pull things in a different direction

If the party dictates “the right way to run the economy” as you say, then doesn’t that blunt people’s ability to reform the direction of their leader’s policies because of the framework enforced by the party?

I’m not arguing that Western democracy provides superior remedies to public disatisfaction or that socialism is not the correct path for prosperity but, if the argument is about allowing people to meaningfully oppose the policies of their elected representatives, then, in a one party system, changing those policies also requires reforming the ideology of the party, which is an additional barrier. Multi-party systems are by no means perfect but at least they provide some alternative path where an outside party can be formed with radically different ideas that can challenge the larger parties and try to pick off support.

And, yes, there is always the threat of smaller parties being squashed using political/financial power, but that, to me, seems like more a product of corruption than an inherent aspect of a democratic system. Not to mention, the same could be done to factions within a party trying to facilitate similar reforms, no?

yogthos,
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The only principle is that the economy should be publicly owned and work in the interests of the majority. I think that’s a pretty reasonable framework to start with.

I really don’t see what multiple parties actually add in practice. You can handle all the disagreements and arguments within a single party. The argument that a single party approach somehow restricts development isn’t really supported by any real world evidence I’m aware of.

tomasz, in Meta embraces fascism
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yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Ah you must be the kind of guy who goes around saying National Socialists in 1930s Germany were leftists. 🤡

BendingUnit, in Corporate Media Peddles 'Vile Propaganda' Over NHS Strikes

As is tradition.

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

Right! Consistency is a strong suit of MSM for sure

kerela22, in Operator Fears 'Sputtering of Radioactive Substances' at Ukraine Nuclear Plant

The Russians need to be stopped, this is getting absolutely ridiculous.

ComradePupIvy,
@ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It is not Russia that is shelling the plant, it is Ukraine, that needs to rained in.

kerela22,

I think most evidence is to the contrary. Check out this independent Ukrainian news site for example.

kyivindependent.com/…/russian-shelling-disconnect…

knfrmity,

Isn’t the Kyiv Independent one of the outlets getting tons of money from the US and EU propaganda funding cutouts? I can’t find sources at the moment but I remember reading a bunch about that in the spring. A media organization has got to have more than the word independent in their name to qualify for the term.

Additionally, external funding or not, the UA government has banned all journalistic organizations which didn’t act as government mouthpieces or which weren’t owned by people close to the government (ie. also government mouthpieces).

American_Communist22, in Russian teacher sentenced for telling students about war crimes in Ukraine
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Was it actual war crimes, or the ones that were made up?

ghosthand,
@ghosthand@lemmy.ml avatar

It shouldn’t matter.

marmulak, in Russian teacher sentenced for telling students about war crimes in Ukraine
@marmulak@lemmy.ml avatar

B-but America…!

kujaw, in Von der Leyen heads to Azerbaijan to secure new gas import deal

Nuclear Energy, please.

thervingi,

The anti-science crowd in the German Green Party will block it.

knfrmity,

It’s not just the Greens anymore, their anti-science propaganda is so deep that most Germans believe it, or at least blindly accept it.

SudoDnfDashY, in Twitter says it will sue Elon Musk after he sends letter seeking to end $44B acquisition deal
@SudoDnfDashY@lemmy.ml avatar

I dunno why he got himself into that deal if he wasn’t 100% sure that he wanted to do it.

knfrmity,

His main grift is stock price manipulation, I figured it was just that.

jorgesumle, in Yellen: Not legal for U.S. to seize Russian official assets
@jorgesumle@lemmy.pt avatar

They call US and EU “global economy”, as if every country was on their side.

knfrmity,

Every country* is on their side.

*every country they control

American_Communist22, in Turkey, a NATO member-state, has launched an invasion of Iraq. Not a word from NATO and EU representatives who have been screaming about Ukraine for the past two months.
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I miss Saddam Hussein

realcaseyrollins,
@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com avatar

@American_Communist22 @yogthos he can't hold a candle to Hitler IMHO

Catradora_Stalinism,
@Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml avatar

what? Are we talking about the man who was president and kept Iraq together and with some sort of future besides collapse and and american enslavement?

doktorRobot,

You mean the one that committed semi regular massacres? That Saddam?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre

JoeBidet, in U.K. Judge OKs Extradition of Julian Assange to U.S.
@JoeBidet@lemmy.ml avatar
guojing,

Most “journalists” are at zero risk because they just parrot what their governments say.

pingveno,

Reading through the indictment, I think a lot of the fury is because Assange didn’t redact vulnerable sources, and when confronted had a very callous attitude about threats to the life or liberty of people who were mentioned. A responsible journalist would redact information like that to protect them from reprisals. Like, there are plenty of journalists that criticize the government in the West and receive leaks, but they’re not having the US government chasing them across the Atlantic.

knfrmity,

…they’re not having the US government chasing them across the Atlantic.

Not yet they’re not. Wait until a legal precedent is set with Assange (too many have been already) and any journalist the government doesn’t like the look of can be locked away or worse.

Whichever way you look at it, exposing sources in an unethical way just doesn’t warrant the treatment Assange has gotten nor the threat of three lifetimes in prison. This isn’t about that, nor is this isn’t about a really stretched charge of hacking, it’s about showing anti-imperialist and anti-war journalists and whistleblowers who’s in charge.

The_Monocle_Debacle, in Russia has defaulted on its foreign debt, says S&P
@The_Monocle_Debacle@lemmygrad.ml avatar

“we won’t let you transfer dollars”

“Ok I’ll pay in rubles”

“No”

“Ok then”

“Hey you can’t not pay us!”

“I tried to, in rubles”

“No, use dollars”

“You won’t let me”

abbenm,

“If you invade there will be sanctions.”

“We don’t care”

“It will make finances not as good”

“We don’t care”

“That means you can’t pay your debts”

“We don’t care”

“Ok then”

Invade

“Hey, why can’t we pay our debts?! Let’s make up an imaginary conversation that selectively excludes critical contextual details and absolves us of blame in the most adolescent way imaginable”

🙄

yogthos, in Russia Demands Wikipedia Take Down Information About Ukraine War
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I bet that if it was the US asking Wikipedia to edit articles the media wouldn’t use the word “demand” or attribute it to the whole US. A likely headline would be: “email shows US official asked Wikipedia to censor ‘misinformation’”.

knfrmity,

The US edits information on Wikipedia to serve its narrative all the time, just through quiet back channels. Western media wouldn’t report on it even if it were done super obviously. It’s rumored that one of the most prolific Wikipedia editors is really British Intelligence. You can also trace the IPs doing edits to places like the CIA.

gary_host_laptop, in Microsoft under threat of nationalization or asset seizure by Russia
@gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml avatar

How is the government going to handle the use of public computers if Microsoft is getting out of Russia? I mean, I’m sure they already have a lot of pirated copies and old versions of Windows, as any (at least third world) country does, but at some point I don’t see any option to either pirate every copy of Windows or start using Linux.

triplenadir,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I don’t see any option to either pirate every copy of Windows

github.com/…/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts 🏴‍☠️

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