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fuzzyspudkiss, in Sunken boat killing hundreds overshadowed by Titan submersible coverage

While fucked up, it’s disinguinuous suggest that the news is blowing up only due to the fact that they’re billionaires. While large boat disasters are fairly uncommon, how often do you hear of a submarine disaster. Especially one where the inhabitants are missing but potentially on a timer - trapped in a submarine with no way to open from the inside, many peoples ultimate fear. The story writes itself, pile on what seems to be a neglectful company and you’ve got a story people are going to be invested in. I don’t think the coverage or the search and rescue would be any different if it were a scientific submarine with scientists.

Zeth0s,

The problem is lack of coverage for the migrants, who are seen as "less valuable people"

atzanteol,

In 2022 there were nearly 50,000 automobile fatalities in the US. There isn't a big story about all of them because, frankly, they're common.

But 5 people died in a submarine. That's news because it's different.

Haileaf01,

im not sure how this relates to 500 people seeking refuge relates to automobile accidents

Haileaf01,

I would argue that they are more valuable then people who have it made but ya

Arsisaria,

I think this is a rather disingenuous read of the situation. The drama of the situation should not overshadow the gravity of the difference between the number of human beings in question, it's disturbing that anyone would find this even remotely acceptable because it's more dramatic. And that's not to mention the discrepancy in response and spending on each issue. It's a true indictment of our societies.

usualsuspect191,

There are people dying all the time, so the ones that are "news worthy" (i.e. attention grabbing) are the unique ones with stories that set them apart, and often it's more relatable when it effects fewer people so it's less abstract. I don't think it's an indictment of our societies, it just plays off of how our brains work.

Atheran,

I'm pretty sure those immigrants have more interesting stories to tell than a billionaire. Just saying.

Living your entire life in a warzone or in inhospitable environments that force you to leave your family behind and getting drowned while the general society ignores the underlying problem seems more worthy of questioning than a billionaire trying to go sightseeing thinking their money shields them from nature. I'd post a clip of a movie that fits here perfectly, but the clip is not on youtube, for anyone interested, look up 'whatever works' with Woody Allen there's a newspaper scene at the beginning of the film.

Anyways, apparently they're dead. Now to move to more important issues in society.

Haileaf01,

agree 🙏

CanadaPlus,

The Thai cave boys are another good example. They were rural third-worlders, but it still became a sensation. It just has to be bloody and dramatic to attract attention. A story like "people on boat drown again" is too mundane, it becomes a statistic instead of a tragedy.

What's really irksome is that these rich guys that pay people to put them weird but often already-explored places get called "explorers".

Turkey_Titty_city,

Rich people think spending money is what makes them special.

My favorite lately is the rise of the 'world traveler' who treats travel as a moral imperative that elevates them above those who can't or don't have the means to spend 5-6 figures per year on international vacations.

dustin,

International travel certainly does broaden a person's perspective. It's great if your can do it, but anyone acting superior because they can travel is just an asshole.

CanadaPlus,

I have to wonder if these people are really getting the straight dope anyway, or going to all the tourist spots and being shown what they want to see. They're definitely not hanging out in a refugee camp if they're spending that much.

Fylkir,

These days, it's much cheaper to just have international friends online.

econpol,

Yeah, having a shittily built submarine for a billionaire to visit the most famous shipwreck in the world while then joining those who died there 100 years ago, is a pretty unique story that we'll now always remember whenever we talk about the titanic.

soft_frog,

There’s a real irony in naming your submarine after a shipwreck, neglecting all safety devices like the shipwreck, and talking about how the hull was indestructible.

Turkey_Titty_city,

I mean, the billionaire class believes they can do nothing wrong, so...

econpol,

That's true of everyone

jayrhacker,

The ticking timer is news gold, it creates a real sense of tension…

wr4th4,
@wr4th4@kbin.social avatar

you're right - if those on the sub do happen to have met their end, at least it was done in pursuit of their dream?

Hyperreality,

Yeah.

The awful truth is that migrants drowning on the sea crossing to Europe or to the UK is mundane. It happens regularly, so it's not news. A sub drowning near the Titanic is newsworthy.

News = man bites dog. Dog bites man = not news.

piezoelectron,
@piezoelectron@sopuli.xyz avatar

This is effectively saying, "This article is correct but for the wrong reasons". People aren't angry about why hundreds of migrants dying isn't newsworthy. They're angry that it's not newsworthy.

I'm frankly surprised that not enough people find it disgusting that the EU passively killing hundreds of refugees is less interesting because the EU does so regularly.

Texas_Hangover,

Because immigrants die in stupid ways all the time. A shit in your toilet is not newsworthy. A shit on your kitchen table is.

Licensed_to_ill,

The way you just compared migrants to shit in your toilet rubs me the wrong way.

FARTYSHARTBLAST,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works avatar

Username checks out I guess.

theredroom,
@theredroom@midwest.social avatar

I agree. Rubbed me so wrong that a genie just shot out of a bottle next to me.

econpol,

People like novelty. That's not too surprising. Additionally, a growing share of people in the EU don't want migrants to come. Empathy is declining.

deaf_fish,

While I don't necessarily disagree with you. It would be interesting to know what would happen if each one of those 50 immigrants paid $250,000 to be on that boat. I don't think money had nothing to do with it.

Licensed_to_ill,

It would absolutely be different if it were scientists. The memes about billionaires and the sub are all over the place. Bezos should go on a sub and explore the titanic too and all that shit.

OrnluWolfjarl,

It's not just the news-worthiness. It's the way how 6+ different countries mobilized to rescue them. That was a result of precisely being rich fucks.

CaptainProton,

Also it's unfair to compare it to the migrant story. Most Americans and Europeans are very hateful towards people from MENA so they are either indifferent or supportive of such "accidents". Obviously they are going to care more about some rich idiots literally crushed by their own hubris.

Books, in Sunken boat killing hundreds overshadowed by Titan submersible coverage
@Books@kbin.social avatar

Well, perhaps other billionaires will see how these folks have been treated, and decide that they'd rather be remembered for doing something great for society, rather than pursuing individual/deadly hobbies.

AllonzeeLV,

You don't become a billionaire without being cool with exploiting people. Modern society rewards antisocial behavior.

blitzen, in Missing Titanic sub crew believed to be dead, tour company says
@blitzen@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve got no love for billionaires, and obviously this story overshadowing the migrant boat sinking in Greece is infuriating, but I’m really not a fan of the glee so many people on social media are expressing at the deaths of these five people.

Also, on another note, I seriously cannot get over the fact that the late CEO of the company, Stockton Rush, has the absolute perfect team name for a minor league football team from central California.

Elroy_Berdahl,

I agree, a lot of people in threads in the fediverse are taking way too much pleasure in 5 people dying. I get not being a fan of billionaires - no one should be - but not everyone aboard was a billionaire, and even if they were it's just so incredibly callous to take joy in people dying in an accident. Have a base level of empathy for crying out loud.

Part of the reason I loved moving to Lemmy from reddit was getting away from reddit's toxicity, I hope we don't bring it with us.

seesaw,

Complaining about non-existing things is a new phenomenon on the internet I guess. I haven’t seen a single person cheering about the billionaires’ death but I’ve seen dozens of people complaining about people cheering about their deaths.

It’s like those upvoted comments in reddit threads where people say “number of comments in this thread about XX is disgusting” and you look for those comments and cannot find any.

Elroy_Berdahl,

https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/d6901b4e-5f49-45cf-a3ea-82d338a58a8f.png

That's just one from this thread. In other news threads the top two comments were people saying "good riddance" or something similar. I'd screenshot those for you as well but I now can't find the threads in my feed because the feed updated and they got pushed down to god knows where.

seesaw,

I mean if you specifically look for it you can of course find them, you can find people cheering for dead puppies and kittens too, there are maniacs everywhere. Thing is it’s far from being an overall attitude, it’s really really minority.

hardypart,
@hardypart@feddit.de avatar

This is indeed an annoying reddit / internet thing. It's nothing but shit stirring.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

You were the kid who just casually glanced around when asked to look for something, weren't you?

ToastyWaffles,
@ToastyWaffles@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I think worrying about people making fun of some rich ass billionaires dying for doing something stupid, is the last hill you should choose to die on. These people made their riches and wealth by exploiting normal people like you and me.

You don't have to actively root for their deaths, but I'm certainly not shedding any tears for them experiencing the consequences of their own actions.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

You don't have to actively root for their deaths, but I'm certainly not shedding any tears for them experiencing the consequences of their own actions.

That's... What he said? Lol

"I've got no love for billionaires... but the glee people have for their deaths..."

Let's leave the "if you have any scrutiny whatsoever it must mean you're on the opposite side of everything I stand for" bullshit on reddit where it belongs and actually read what people are saying.

blitzen,
@blitzen@lemmy.ml avatar

Wouldn’t say I’m dying on any hill here, only saying there are very few people whose deaths should be celebrated, and these are not those people.

johnthedoe, in Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

And killing a handful of billionaires. I hope their families send an army of lawyers at him

RoboRay,
@RoboRay@kbin.social avatar

I think you mean "at his estate."

lastrogue,
@lastrogue@kbin.social avatar

Yeah he’s dead along with them. He was down there.

Phantom_Engineer, in Russian coup in progress: Ukrainian MOD "We are watching"
@Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s gonna take more than a tweet for me to believe it. Still, it would be a welcome development if it brings about an end to the Ukraine War.

exohuman, in Wagner Boss says invasion of Ukraine is based on LIES as he condemns Military leaders
@exohuman@kbin.social avatar

The blame game begins. They aren’t winning this war and now seek ways to blame people other than Putin.

serfraser, in Wagner Boss says invasion of Ukraine is based on LIES as he condemns Military leaders
@serfraser@kbin.social avatar

Don't share the Sun.

JFT97

Senseibu, in Wagner Boss says invasion of Ukraine is based on LIES as he condemns Military leaders
@Senseibu@feddit.uk avatar

No shit, Sherlock Wagner Boss

Someone’s getting novichocked

xavier666,

Free reservation at the top floor of a building with big windows

servo, in Wagner Boss says invasion of Ukraine is based on LIES as he condemns Military leaders
@servo@lemmy.world avatar

This seems like a big deal

ToastyWaffles,
@ToastyWaffles@lemmy.ml avatar

FSB has announced they’ve started a criminal investigation into him.

I wonder if he’s in cahoots with the CIA or something?

xc2215x, in Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

This looks terrible now.

maybe,
@maybe@lemmy.world avatar

Whereas yesterday it looked fine...😶

carbonprop, in Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

Every transport industry is heavily regulated with regards to safety for a reason. If you start a commercial enterprise on an untested vehicle you’re asking for trouble.

TheButtonJustSpins,

What could go wrong 13000 feet under the ocean?

maybe,
@maybe@lemmy.world avatar

13,000 feet into the ocean. Being under the ocean requires some digging, I think.

maybe, (edited )
@maybe@lemmy.world avatar

I have no issues with an untested tin can as a traveling device through a high pressure environment. However, I am personally going to pass if the opportunity arises for me to try this out.

Raf, in TITANIC SUB SEARCH | USCG concludes missing Titan sub met 'catastrophic implosion'

The silver lining here is that the world has gained an extremely compelling argument for regulations.

nomecks,

I'm not sure how much you can regulate a company that fires the people telling them it's an unsafe design.

Earthwormjim91,

Independent safety inspections and certification of designs. You don’t pass, you don’t sail.

CanadaPlus,

The law can't be fired, government inspectors can't be fired.

FigMcLargeHuge,

Not to be callous, but why? We have four people here who willingly signed up for this knowing what the potential consequences could be and one who just threw caution to the wind as far as safety was concerned. I am sure more people have died on the roads while I was typing this. Besides, they were in international waters where according to all the news stories I read nothing you could pass would apply. I feel like this should just be a cautionary tale for others and thats as far as it needs to go. Oh, and let what's left of the company pay back the people who went out searching, assuming there are any funds left. I mean they obviously spent money on nothing but the best equipment.

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

I don't know what the right level of risk is, but I do agree that if you're engaging in extreme tourism, you have to understand that there's going to be a level of risk associated with it. You want to visit Antarctica, you're going to inevitably be exposed to more risk than if you visit the park down the road. Same thing with space travel. Same thing with deep undersea stuff.

CanadaPlus, (edited )

This wasn't a normal submarine, though. It was a plastic death tube that was totally uncertified and bound to fail eventually.

You could argue buyer beware, but you could argue this is negligent and the tourists should be protected from their own stupidity too.

fomo_erotic,
@fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml avatar

It was a plastic death tube that was totally uncertified and bound to fail eventually.

Sure, and if it’s in your own personal risk tolerance, you should be well within your rights to do so.

The kind of reactionary hand wringing on this issue is telling about how conservative the world has become.

CanadaPlus,

Risk conservative, maybe. Political conservatism is usually gung-ho about this sort of thing.

I see the logic of that, but then again people can be real idiots when it comes to things they haven't been trained about (ask anyone that interacts with the general public for work). I also see the logic in things like mandating seatbelts. Especially if you have a situation where medical treatment will be provided at great public expense for the outcome of whatever stupid decision.

Before someone gets mad at me, I have no actual opinion here.

fomo_erotic,
@fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml avatar

I think it becomes a question of what well back up and ‘insure’ as a society. Because we’re willing to back people up and insure against the risk of driving in a vehicle, we require certain safety standards, levels of training, etc.

I think people should and need to be able to make all the stupidest decisions they can possibly make. I also don’t think it’s society’s role to absorb that risk. I don’t think a major search and rescue operation should have been undertaken for people doing something that was incredibly risky and dangerous. It’s an edge that should stay sharp, and have real consequences. But I also strongly believe we shouldn’t be regulating people’s behavior to not also take that risk. That’s their business and the whole point of living in a liberal society. As a society we get to decide which corners to pad and which edges to soften. I’d like to see us padding the corners and reduce the risk for an immigrants voyage on an over packed boat to try and better themselt rather than some dipshit billionaires obviously stupid hobby.

I think both of them having the right to take that risk is a fundamental human right. But we as a society get to decide which risks well offer some cushion to.

dan1101,
@dan1101@lemmy.world avatar

If this was international waters maybe there are no regulations.

patchymoose,
@patchymoose@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s what needs to change. If there was enough support internationally, the UN could facilitate a treaty being signed between nations with uniform regulations on submersibles. Then it wouldn’t matter if it was international waters.

fomo_erotic,
@fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml avatar

a completely silly use of literally everyone’s time and money, as was the search.

If billionaires want to do life threatening tourism, then let them, but there should be no accommodations for the consequences.

NoIWontPickaName,

And people who are not signatories?

azuth,

The company is registered in the US. US law can therefore apply. In fact USA claims jurisdiction where it's very shady to do so (for example just for payments made in USD)

CanadaPlus,

(for example just for payments made in USD)

Wait what? So a guy in Zimbabwe trades a broom for some USD and the US government feels they have jurisdiction?

CanadaPlus,

That's the idea, I think. Of all the submarines that could reach that depth it was the only one with no certification.

Know_not_Scotty_does, in Missing Titanic sub crew believed to be dead, tour company says

I am curious as to what the repeated knocking on ~30 minute intervals that was picked up on sonar ends up being if not from the sub.

bobtreehugger,

I believe that in a previous case like this it was found to be biological -- some sort of animal noise maybe.

jkure2,

I was messing around with this like sub warfare simulator game a while back and I blew up a whale with a torpedo because it showed up on my sonobuoy network as an unidentified contact 😅

SlovenianSocket,
@SlovenianSocket@lemmy.ca avatar

What game is that? Sounds cool

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

"In other news, a Navy P-3 recently sunk a sperm class whale."

Chainweasel,

Similar things have happened in other underwater rescue situations and it almost always turns out to be equipment involved in the search. The sonar bouys dropped by the planes are extremely sensitive pieces of equipment.
If I had to guess, every 30 minutes or so a boat running a grid search pattern would get close enough to one of the bouys that it was able to pick up sounds from the boat. As the grid pattern took the boat further away from the bouy it wasn't able to continue to pick up the noise, and the "knocking" stopped after about 4 hours and wasn't heard again until a few days later. Then the search pattern changed, and boats started getting close to the bouys again.

redtea,

It was a fish knocking on the window and saying, 'here, billy, billy, billy, billionaire'.

It was intermittent because an orca kept swimming past and saying, 'don't do that, it's bad for them, but if you like the sound of that you're better off knocking on the bottom of the big ones up top'.

StingJay, in Missing Titanic sub crew believed to be dead, tour company says

They associated the debris they found earlier to be from the sub which pretty much confirms the implosion.

other_world,

I’d definitely choose to die that way over asphyxiation or dehydration.

Hopps,
@Hopps@lemmy.world avatar

From what I heard they had two bottles for urine and a bag to deficate in. It would have been freezing and extremely humid inside after even a day as well.

A implosion would be way better than days cramped together suffocating and starving in a inescapable freezing stench filled coffin.

jkure2,

Plus imagine being the poor coast guard team that has to crack that sucker open after they finally found and raised it 🤢

Confound4082,

It's already been cracked open... and it wasnt by the coast guard...

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Cracking open a cold one with the bois.

toxic,

But isn’t the asphyxiation here on the levels of, you end up falling asleep and don’t wake up again. It’s not to the degree of you’re choking to death and can’t do anything about it.

phosphorik,

I don’t think so. You’d feel the carbon dioxide building up in your muscles over time, it would be awful. That and the mind-destroying existential terror. I’d take the sudden crush depth exposure, thanks.

MrFunnyMoustache,

The peaceful death you are talking about is from lack of oxygen, but when you’re in an enclosed space, there is CO2 buildup, and when you get too much CO2 it makes your blood slightly more acidic, which makes you feel an intense urge to breathe and you’ll die before running out of oxygen. That’s a terrible way to die.

arefx,

You would certainly be in a lot of discomfort and panic for a few minutes. Awful for sure.

LDRMS,
@LDRMS@kbin.social avatar

100% agree here. But then again, you wouldn't catch me in a tiny enclosed space God knows how deep, no thanks. I'll look at titanic videos on youtube.

Rinox, in Ukraine Blocks Journalists From Front Lines With Escalating Censorship

"Ukraine calls for media silence ahead of counteroffensive"

Media: can we broadcast form the front lines?

Ukraine: no?

Media: surprised Pikachu face

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