Hardly took a three-letter intelligence service to have seen the power struggle between Wagner and regular forces. All you had to do was subscribe to them on Telegram.
This is a pretty low joke, why don't you show some respect here?
I am sure he was under a lot of pressure to run a successful business. Traveling down to the bottom of the ocean is a titanic undertaking. If people started to complain about safety regulations, then that was just the tip of the iceberg and who knows what other obstacles could have cropped up along the way to sink his ship.
Still, this was a deep situation. It's unfathomable to think that anyone could feel nothing about this.
You don't have to feel crushed by the news, but at least show some respect. If I had $250,000 for every rude comment I've read about OceanGate in the last few days...
I was in the Marines and you couldn’t pay me to sink to the bottom of the ocean in a metal tube bolted in with 4 other idiots. They all signed a waiver stating the vehicle wasn’t properly tested.
There is no respect to be given here. All of them were advised of the risks and they accepted them. We are free to make fun of them for their decision since they literally signed a waiver for their lives.
Safety regulations save lives. If my crew wasn’t properly anchored to something I’d lambast them for improper safety. I’ve also terminated crews for not following safety protocols. There was nothing safe about what these idiots did and they got exactly what was coming to them.
Societal etiquette has really imploded in the last few years. Every time I look at social media, it's like I am seeing new depths of bad behavior. I hope someday we can all gain some perspective and stop taking on water so we can right this sinking ship.
Apparently the Titanic caused all the maritime laws to be rewritten for vessels. It’s very ironic that 100 years later we’re likely going to have something similar for submersibles caused by an accident at the same location with a similar name.
maybe, but because it happened in international waters maybe not. if it was in US coastal waters the Coast Guard would have had to approve the vessel. at best it will lead to registering the company in a country that doesn't care about maritime safety or laws, similar to having your head corporate office located at a post office box in ireland to avoid local corporate taxes.
You could absolutely write a law that prohibits operating, advertising, selling, or having their point of embarkation inside country X for diving tours on non-certified vessels. Or something along these lines. I'm sure a lawyer could come up with something better.
Making the commercial part illigal in many countries wil make it definitely more clear that you put your own life at risk. If people with that knowledge still want to (likely )kill themselves that's not a problem. The budget for rescue missions wil also be more reasonable for in most countries explicitly unsafe subs.
So looks like the main outcome of the whole thing is that Russia is now moving from SMO to CTO (Counter Terrorist Operation) status. The differences in Russian law between an SMO and CTO are pretty important.
SMO is a conventional term which describes the scope of current Russian operations in Ukraine. The conduct of the SMO does not affect life within Russia in any significant legal sense. A CTO by contrast, is a legal framework with key implications for Russian citizens, as well as people living in the area of operations.
The CTO regime is introduced and cancelled by the head of Russia’s FSB. As such it is primarily a national security measure. The purpose of a CTO regime is to prevent or minimize the consequences of any and all threats to national security, such as (but not limited to) terrorist attacks.
A brief summary of CTO legal implications:
FSB officers become part of the command structure of the military operation and participate in military planning and decision making at the highest levels.
Conscripted soldiers may be utilized in combat operations (not just mobilized reservists).
Security services may requisition property of citizens such as personal vehicles, warehouses etc for CTO use.
Strict powers of control over the exchange of information.
Communication means may be disconnected by security services without notice.
Unimpeded access to any CTO employee into any premises in Russia without the need for legal warrant.
Restrictions on freedom of movement.
Employees of FSB, Ministry of Interior, Ministry of Emergency Situations and others, become part of the CTO.
Expanded powers to security forces in who may be designated a hostile combatant. This opens the door to targeted destruction of non-military individuals.
I doubt there's going to be an actual uprising. Prigozhin is a windbag: he never follows through. Remember when he was saying that Wagner would pull out of Bakhmut unless they get ammo 'n shit?
They didn't get munitions, and they didn't pull out.
This still smells fishy, Russia never says the truth and Putin would never admit this so easily. Seems like some sort of exit strategy for Putin not to take the blame of a failed war. But let's hope it's true
I for one really hope more Russians can peacefully surrender, and that Putin’s regime ceases it bloody campaign against people’s liberties foreign and domestic.
I also hope that western nations will welcome russian people that do not wish to fight (as long as they behave that is). Not only will it send the signal that the west is not against russia itself, only against the regime, it will also rob russia of manpower.
I would really rather that people stop dying. But that choice is entirely up to the Russians, who are the ones who started and are continuing to pursue this invasion.
They could just go home and this would all be over. This is on them.
Amazing deflection of responsibility. Why are you in favor of forcing people to die for your cause? Go fight yourself.
Then there’s the denying of reality. The Russians aren’t going to go away, even if you send in more conscripts. So the plan is what exactly? Just send in more guys (not you of course) until there’s no-one left?
And you also pull the old kindergarten move of “they started it”, when you know damn well this shit has been brewing for a while. Heck, even if this were true, maybe some deescalation would be wise? But no matter, the other guys are 100% at fault for sure and so your hands are clean.
And now, if you even try to mention peace, you are Putin’s shill.
No, you don't. You are Putin's shill if you mention peace only at Russian conditions. I'd welcome a peace where Russia leaves the occupied territories forever and stops waging war, the people of Donbass, both of Russian ethnicity and Ukranian ethnicity, get more autonomy, Tatars can go back to Crimea, Russians can vote democratically and have independent media, talk and protest without going to jail and all in all live better.
I'm against war and if everyone just lived in peace, I'd be much much happier.
I just thik that when you put conditions on peace, as you did, and those conditions, as we all know, are not possible (true, current wagner mutiny might and hopefully will change that), you are not really in for peace talks.
There are reasons Russia acted this way, and thise reasons did not change, wether we agree with their (or better even, his reasoning) does not matter. Putin did what he was talking from 2014 he will do.
Ah, yes. Deescalate with Putin. Because he has shown himself to be such a reasonable man. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine stops existing. If Russia stops fighting, the war will be over.
The Donbas and Crimea don't want to be part of Ukraine. The war between Donbas and Ukraine has been going on for 9 years. If the people of Donbas stop fighting, they will stop existing.
Ukraine is conscripting people. They’re preventing men from leaving the country. They are clearly sending people to the front who do not want to be there.
If someone sends me to die in this way I reserve my right to kill them in self defense.
If you want to flee conscription, I support that. But likewise, Ukraine has the right to defend its sovereignty. As of now, most of Ukraine's conscripts have been volunteers and, opposed to russian conscripts, they receive training in the very most cases.
And to hammer that point home, just like involuntarilly conscripted soldiers, the people in Bucha, the people in Kherson and the people in Mariupol did not choose to take part in this war. Whenever russia retreats, stories of torture, killings and abductions emerge. Leaving those people to suffer under russia is as inhumane as it gets. Not to mention, all the (war)crimes committed on russian occupied territory will never even have the chance of getting investigated if russia is allowed to hide them.
How do you think the Ukrainians are receiving better training than the Russians? Not that it matters, I’m going to change my mind about sending conscripts to the front, whether they receive 2 weeks or 6 months of training or whether the Russians are doing the same thing. I’m not cheering on Russia’s war effort, you’re cheering on Ukraine’s.
You think it matters to most people who controls what territory? Do you really think a country that has soldiers (whole units!) proudly wearing SS and other Nazi shit are some paragons of virtue towards civilians? It clearly would be best for civilians if the fighting stops as soon as possible.
If you believe all this stuff about good vs evil I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
One side has some units wearing Nazi iconography. The other side has state sanctioned torture, killings and deportations (and also Nazi iconography). Your comparison is a textbook example of false equivalence.
the democtraticly elected government of the Ukraine is deciding to continue or surrender. Military aid is not forcing them to fight but helping then after they have decided to do so.
There is little stopping Russia from attacking other regions or contries after they overtook the eastern part of Ukraine. They allready stated they see Poland and Moldova as part of the “russian world” they want to create
I do agree that there were breaches of verbal agreements by the NATO but there is rarely a more clear aggresor than when one contry invades an other. You may now start with whataboutism, the us and all the countries they invaded but two wrongs don’t make a right
Nobody is being forced to die for any cause. Ukrainians are fighting Russia because Russia intends to wipe their country off the map. I don't really see why you think you have the right to tell Ukrainians that they don't have the right to fight for the existence of their country.
Somebody's getting a taste of what it could be like to become the leader of Russia or the Russian army.. If this guy overthrows Putin and ends the war in Ukraine, it would be very interesting. He probably just wants to go on killing people in peace in some other country without getting interference from incompetent generals meddling in his operation. Putin messed that up.
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