We took my young daughter to the Black Country Musrum once and she found a “Hobby Horse” and we eventually had to take it from her. She thought it was the best toy ever…
I’m an old guy. I think there are a few things that influenced this. For one, there’s a basic kernel of truth in that we tend to be more naive when we’re younger because we lack experience. We’re unrealistic about what’s feasible. Lots of folks also get a bit more jaded as they get older because it’s hard to see the same bad shit over and over and react to it the same way the 100th time as you did the first time. Throw in that folks were generally less politically polarized for the older generations. Conservative vs liberal, for average people, tended to be more about how much money we spend on defense and how much on social programs.
So a lot of people moving through that landscape did feel that some of their liberalism came from unrealistic idealism. But things are different now. We’re so polarized, and the wedge issues are so fundamental to peoples’ lives. I know, I was personally raised in a relatively conservative household, and I’ve grown more and more into a flaming liberal because I see conservatism as an assault on personal freedoms and on science.
It used to be a conservation over the coffee table about the merits of taxing less and providing less, versus taxing more and providing more. Now it’s devolved into identity politics and whatever the latest culture war is with opposite side vehemently against whatever culture war of the day is. Conversations rarely get past that point, and I think this has all been done by design.
Yeah, I honestly think it goes back to when Republicans decided to specifically court evangelical Christians. As part of that, they painted liberals as not just wrong, but evil. You can negotiate and compromise with someone you think is wrong, but not someone you think is evil. That was the beginning of our politics becoming excessively polarized, in my opinion.
Yes, that’s true. It was both the biggest blunder and most optimal strategy that they ever played. It worked out “tremendously” to quote a former president’s favorite words, in the short term. But now their monster is coming out alive. No one expected them to win seats, it was astroturfing afterall… but now here we are.
Well, it worked tremendously for decades. They got middle America and the south to vote for conservative politicians to stop liberals from murdering babies and implementing communism or socialism. Meanwhile, those politicians voted in tax cuts for the rich and reduced corporate oversight, which was the real goal. Wonder why average worker salaries have gone up around 14% since the late 70s whole CEO salaries have gone up 1200% in the same period? It goes back to this.
Then you have actors like Russia who correctly identify it as a weak spot, and therefore dump as much fuel on the fire as they can.
And profiteers like the church, who keep their cash-cows enraged and engaged by building big blue strawmen.
It’s not any kind of coordinated effort, just the end result of lots of different flavors of bullshit thrown in the same pile… but there are definitely people who benefit from it.
And it feels disingenuous to even mention that it can go both ways, but look at things like presidential elections and how many vote not for a candidate based on their merits, but against the other bastard based on how horrible they are.
Christians have been a major driving force for this, namely evangelicals.
A lot of people will say it’s the nature of a 2 party system or some shit, but it’s really the natural conclusion to a society that’s driven by religion.
As far as I know, the modern ideology really started in the 70’s with the Jesus freaks movement, but the general attitude has been around forever (look at the Pentecostals and other big tent denominations as far back as the 1800’s and their constant war on secularism). But this batch of Christians have been systematically working toward taking over positions of power and even trying to out-produce everyone else in order to raise little versions of themselves (look up ‘The Joshua Generation’) with the ultimate purpose of simply outnumbering everyone else. There’s been an intentional and calculated plan that I’ve known of my whole life because we were literally and directly talking about it regularly in church.
Then evangelicalism went mainstream and became the loudest group of religious zealots in the country and everyone just sat back and said next to nothing while they started the satanic panic and the likes of Limbaugh latched on for powers sake and fomented the fear and anger on the right in a way that the left just never even tried to do. And for the last 40 years this cohort has grown and grown until we have what we have now.
The 2 party system isn’t the reason, it’s the tool.
Women don’t have breasts or figures. They should all be drawn like flat rectangles. But if a pretty lady draws the booby then it’s actually empowering and based 😎
So much knee-jerk defensiveness. Y’all can disagree with me if you like, but to me it very much has the energy of people digging their heels in against the BLM message at first before later coming around - not from a place of bigotry, but rather not yet fully understanding the situation. I hope that eventually the people in this thread will understand that the ever-present over-sexualization of women is something that needs to be addressed, even in minor cases like this. Call me over-sensitive, call me a white knight, but just turn this point over in your mind a few times.
And perhaps look to the litany of posts in this community that represent women without sexual undertones
Edit: changed “sub” to “community” - old habits die hard
If the lady witch had huge anime milkers hanging out of her shirt and fat thighs with a tiny skirt I’d be inclined to agree but this is such a nonoffensive drawing I genuinely can’t see anything wrong with it. I personally know women who make art and depict their women characters way worse than this.
Genuinely the real problem is people having an issue with things that shouldn’t be sexual at all. Everybody has breasts, some just have larger ones than others, and to act like that’s not real is like some weird titty erasure. Just because you personally find breasts overtly sexual doesn’t mean someone else does.
People express themselves in many different ways and for some people they enjoy feeling comfortable in their own body. Having representation not just for different body types but also different portrayals of those body types is important, as long as it’s realistic. You wouldn’t start a stink over a woman choosing to wear a revealing top or form fitting dress, neither would you mind a man dressing in drag with huge fake breasts.
The problem with oversexualization in general is when it’s unrealistic and stereotypical. I promise if you go to any Halloween party with attendees in the 18-30 range you’ll see actual women dressed like little witches like that right now.
Comparing someone not finding anything wrong with little boobies on a cartoon hag to people that think black people are inferior is probably the most insane take I’ve ever seen on this website.
Idk if you’re looking to fight or discuss in good faith, but in case it’s the latter, scroll through the posts in this community. There are hundreds of examples of women with normal shapes that aren’t sexualized.
I’m not saying “this artist should be in jail for what he’s done!!!”
But I am saying he added a little more sexuality than is entirely appropriate, and certainly more so than most female artists do.
I don’t know that I’d agree with that exactly - defensiveness is a shade of anger in my mind. But largely I was referencing the high number of downvotes for all of our comments, especially newnewaccount’s innocuous reply to mine. We seem to have struck a nerve
There’s no defensiveness here either… Your comment was a boring “omg men r pervs” joke, newnewaccount’s comment was just the exact same joke, but worse. I’m surprised downvotes surprise you this much.
I don’t know why men get so defensive about this. Men over-sexualize women all the time, it’s not like I’m making this up. Just go through the posts on this community and there will be plenty where you know immediately that it was a man who drew it
Edit: changed “sub” to “community” - old habits die hard
You know you’re just assuming everyone in the comments are men right? I feel like that’s pretty shallow. Also seriously you’re the one being weird here about a drawing. Especially one that has pretty diverse body types in it too.
I could be wrong, but I have a pretty strong feeling that the grand majority of people disagreeing with me are men, based on the mentality being displayed. I am of course open to being proven wrong by any women in this thread.
Thank you. I’m just trying to get people thinking about it so that there’s a little less ire each time they’re approached with this topic - and (hopefully) eventually see things from my side
So glad I found out about them a couple years back when the new Senua sequel announcement trailer hit and I just NEEDED to know more about that song they used.
I think the trick lies in finding the right cheese for the right woman. I’d be an easy target unless someone offers me one of those washed rind types, the only cheese I find gross.
Taleggio turned me on to stinky cheeses. I haven’t had limburger yet but it took like a month to get the foot smell out of the fridge after the taleggio it was great
The Limburger I’ve smelled was nothing like foot smell, unless you’ve been walking barefoot through cow shit.
My dad likes to eat Limburger sandwiches. I’m convinced he eats them mostly to offend the people around him. If you’ve ever heard that a conservative will eat cow shit just so the liberals near him have to smell his breath, that’s pretty much my dad.
I’ve only smelled it once. It was the only time he made one in the house when I lived there. I think my mom told him if he ever made another she’d divorce him.
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