TropicalDingdong,

Espionage act?

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

I need more proof than one guy whose trying to sell copies of his book.

acastcandream,

Walter Isaacson is an incredibly seasoned, respected biographer. He’s not just “one guy trying to sell copies of his book.”

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

The traffic going to and from these drones isn’t encrypted?

hackitfast,
@hackitfast@lemmy.world avatar

It is, but if you control the endpoints then there is no traffic to be had if you block it.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

How did they know what device to block if they don’t know what’s being sent/recieved?

hackitfast,
@hackitfast@lemmy.world avatar

If you provision a range of IP addresses to use specifically for the Ukrainian government, you can just cut access to all of them at once. Claiming an “outage” of 15-30 minutes would be pretty easy to do.

towerful,

I have no doubt that starlink can geolocate a client device by triangulation or trilateration.
The article states they essentially geo-fenced the area. So when client devices entered that area, their traffic was dropped.

hackitfast,
@hackitfast@lemmy.world avatar

I could believe that too

skillissuer,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

by looking where it is

reverendsteveii,

It’s more complex than that, especially when all you’re looking for is denial of service. As an example: I don’t have to decrypt anything if I can use traffic analysis to determine which packets are sent to or coming from a drone and just drop them. Standard Internet security, TLS, encrypts the content of a packet but not the source or the destination. You could use a VPN wrapper but then it’s as simple as dropping traffic to and from the VPN.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

But surely you’d then need to have prior knowledge of the intent of the endpoint

reverendsteveii,

Not really. You just have to know that the comms are going to or coming from a drone, which should be easy enough given that the AP needs to know how to route the comms so that information must be visible to it (and it can therefore decide to drop comms at that step in transport). Even with the content, origination and destination being perfectly secret you can do this like track which APs a given client connects to over a certain amount of time and infer airspeed and rough direction. Something flying at $droneTopSpeed +/- 10%, headed roughly toward some juicy target? Drop comms.

Remember that starlink is already in their communication chain and start thinking in terms of what you’d do if you wanted to intercept letters between two people and you’re already the mailman for one of them.

cobra89,

Did you read the article? It wasn’t about the traffic being encrypted. It’s about starlink turning off service in a certain area so the drones didn’t have Internet access to communicate:

Elon Musk secretly ordered his engineers to turn off his company’s Starlink satellite communications network near the Crimean coast last year to disrupt a Ukrainian sneak attack on the Russian naval fleet, according to an excerpt adapted from Walter Isaacson’s new biography of the eccentric billionaire titled “Elon Musk.”

As Ukrainian submarine drones strapped with explosives approached the Russian fleet, they “lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly,” Isaacson writes.

IHaveTwoCows,

Does he seem like someone who is concerned about your security?

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

You shouldn’t need to trust him to communicate securely using his equipment

IHaveTwoCows,

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  • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

    I mean from a technical standpoint, not an ethical one

    Uniquitous,

    Sure would be a shame if Starlink got nationalized.

    Bitrot,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    The US would be forced to embargo the US.

    nxdefiant,

    Talk about fixing the rural internet problem. That would be amazing.

    xXxBigJeffreyxXx,

    Hopefully some skepticism can finally be focused on the concept of giving a single billionaire unfettered control over who is allowed to access the internet, and what they are allowed to do with it.

    The whole endeavor to “arm” Ukraine with Starlink has always been a shameless attempt to dodge any future criticism of the company, by claiming to be a “military asset”

    BioDriver,

    Fuuuuuuck Elon Musk

    ETA: he said he did it to avoid a nuclear attack. Everybody with two brain cells to rub together knows this is an empty threat from Putin, so either Elon is an idiot or he’s lying.

    Likely both.

    Corkyskog,

    Glad a billionaire gets to dictate US foreign policy on his whim. How is this not treason? How is he not being dragged in front of Congress as we speak?

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I can believe he’s a scared little wimp that can rationalize that his cowardice is actually a solid strategy to save the human race.

    soot_guy,

    “Secretly.”

    So secretly that we know about it.

    FlexibleToast,

    You can’t keep secrets from the future. It was probably secretive at the time.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yeah I never heard about it. I heard about him wanting to up the price for Ukraine using Starlink around that time (which was controversial enough) but shutting down drones, that’s a whole other level.

    There was already a lot of talk about the military no longer using SpaceX in the future just because of the price hike thing. But sabotaging an ally’s military hardware? Holy shit. At the very least Elon Musk cost SpaceX many billions of dollars in revenue in the future because of this.

    TrismegistusMx,
    @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world avatar

    If I was Ukrainian, I would say that makes Elon a combatant.

    Zombiepirate,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    If he wants to play general, he damn well is.

    qwertyqwertyqwerty,

    Not that I expect a single damn thing to happen, but isn’t this the definition of treason?

    imgonnatrythis,

    No. Elon Musk is American. It’s just called being a dick. I dunno, maybe there is a better word, but Treason is not the word.

    Riven,
    @Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I thought he was south African?

    Corkyskog,

    It’s complicated.

    He was born in South Africa, but he holds citizenship in the US & Canada as well. He went to Canada because he couldn’t get access to the US, but his mother was a Canadian national so he was able to convince her to get them Canadian passports to attend school in Canada and then transfer to the US. So after a couple years at Queens Uni he transferred to Upenn. Then after completing his Bachelors, in order to stay in the US he pretended he was going to get his PhD, but then started a company sort of like online yellow pages called Zip2. His investors realized that as a student couldn’t work, they needed to get him a green card. So they got him a an “investor green card” (Eb-5) and 5 years later he became a naturalized US citizen.

    qwertyqwertyqwerty,

    No. Elon Musk is American.

    Right. He aided a foreign enemy of the US, Russia.

    Zombiepirate,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    Musk was reportedly motivated to foil the attack out of concern that a strike on Crimea would constitute a “mini-Pearl Harbor” and lead to Russia retaliating with nuclear weapons

    So glad the blue-checks get to dictate our foreign policy now.

    What was all that DoD money for? A suggestion box?

    someguy3,

    Not like Russia invading Ukraine was a mini pearl harbor, nooooooo not that.

    ChickenLadyLovesLife,

    TBF Russia invading Ukraine has turned out to be like Pearl Harbor (the Ben Affleck movie).

    Kahlenar,

    Euronam

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Michael Bay making a movie that he thought would gain him prestige but it ended up it was way longer than it should’ve been and no one liked it.

    Yup that analogy checks out.

    ChrisLicht,

    If you own a new Tesla purchased since he took over Twitter, I suspect you may start having some increased tire and paint bills. I could see it becoming a trend; feels like the kind of thing kids could get into.

    i_am,

    Wat?

    DarkenLM,

    Graffitiing cars or keying them and puncturing tires.

    i_am,

    Haha thanks, I would not have gotten there on my own.

    Joker,

    Fuck that. We don’t need some Tesla version of that Kia challenge shit. I happen to drive a Tesla that I bought when Elon was still cool. I would never buy another thing from him (for a variety of reasons, many of them related to the car), but I’m still stuck with what I have because it’s a bad financial decision for me to change the car now. He already has my money and it pisses me off every day. The last thing I need is some anarchist, vigilante twat slashing my tires to “teach me a lesson”. Go fuck up Elon’s shit instead of taking it out on people who just might feel the same way about him as you do.

    ChrisLicht,

    Elon’s shit is untouchable to the kids. New Teslas are not.

    You use his charging network?

    Joker,

    So maybe don’t do it at all instead of taking it out on people who didn’t do anything wrong?

    ChrisLicht,

    I’m not promoting it. Just wonder if Musk is getting dangerously close to becoming a generational bête noire, and his enablers with him.

    xuxebiko,

    That utter swine!

    NotAPenguin,

    Please don't use thedailybeast as a source...

    smellythief,

    Why not?

    Uniquitous,

    It makes right-wingers sad.

    NotAPenguin,

    Why do you think wanting a proper source makes someone right wing?

    I'm not American and not right wing.

    NotAPenguin,

    Have you seen what kind of website it is?
    In this case it was just a summary of a cnn article, linking directly would be better.

    smellythief,

    In this case then, that makes sense. I was just wondering if you had something against the site generally. Is it trash generally? Not defending it, just curious.

    nosurprises,

    It’s not even the source in this case, the story originates from CNN and they even have a link to it! The daily beast is an absolutely needless layer here.

    SupraMario,

    And the author from the article at CNN quotes the book is from the CEO whos the author…

    Musk isn’t the one who pulled the plug on this. The lawyers did because they have to follow international law…

    I thought you Lemmy users were smarter than the reddit idiots, but I guess I was wrong…stupid fucks here asking to nationalize starlink and calling musk a traitor lol

    Musk is shit and so is russia but acting like this is anything else than international law being followed is stupid. This article is just rage bait and shilling the CEO of CNNs book.

    Slava Ukraini

    nosurprises,

    It’s funny that you’re saying this, because I thought that all arrogant and aggressive people, who can’t communicate with others, stayed on reddit. Yet here you are!

    SupraMario,

    Yes because ignorance is an excuse for being kind. You and the rest blindly hate without giving a fuck and hate anyone who cares about the truth. So I callem’ like I see em’.

    givesomefucks,

    OP linked to a site that regosted half of the original article, so here’s the full one:

    edition.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/…/index.html

    Furbag,

    As if I needed another reason to hate this piece of shit.

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