spiderkle,
@spiderkle@lemmy.ca avatar

firefox hitting homeruns on user-friendliness with actually useful features that protect you online, while all other browser just wanna put more ads in front of your face.

random65837,

Amazon’s not “in trouble” because they’re not fake reviews. They’re real reviews left by purchasers, which get bribed to leave them in most cases.

OneClappedCheek,

So it’s a real review when someone receives cash to say good things about the product, gotcha.

random65837,

Stay in context, genius, you know exactly what I mean. Not bot or algorithm can do anything about a review, left by a real customer, with a real acct and purchase history, so yes, it’s “real”. Not being truthful is another thing.

online,

Yeah basically if you want free stuff, then you’re incentivized to leave good reviews so that they are more likely to send you free stuff. Plus, there’s a cognitive bias where you didn’t pay for it so even if you would have been critical you’re more likely to say something positive.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That makes me want to use firefox less.

I don’t need a nanny-control to tell me what’s fake and what’s real.

Gullible,

Sifting through reviews to find real criticism is tedious. I never asked for this feature expecting it to become a reality, but I won’t turn my nose at time saved at 0 expense. As long as it isn’t used for marketing or fingerprinting, what’s the issue? Note: I might be missing your sarcasm, I’m tired.

WheeGeetheCat,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

This has the same energy as someone who says they want to drive a car less because it has seatbelts installed.

Like fine - its a useful tool that might prevent you being scammed which just displays information you can easily ignore- better run away.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This has the same energy as someone who says they want to drive a car less because it has seatbelts installed.

A seatbelt is an actual safety device that works and isn’t being controlled by some other company.

That’s not the same thing.

Doug7070,
@Doug7070@lemmy.world avatar

Then you can ignore/turn it off? It’s also a function to protect users from malicious online behavior, dunno how that could be interpreted as a nanny, unless you also insist browsers shouldn’t warn you when accessing known malware links or similar. If you really insist on having the absolute freedom to not be advised about it when you’re being scammed then go off I guess.

Socsa,

This will work for 15 microseconds before people start deploying it as an adversarial training aid.

alsu2launda,

Came here to say this.

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Guess it’ll have to be a live service that is constantly running and updating what a wonderful world

N00dle,
@N00dle@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been using fakespot for a few months now and it seems hit or miss a lot of times. I’m hoping that Mozilla has been making changes to improve the implementation of how it checks reviews.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Amazon is in trouble

I don’t see why. Fake reviews don’t benefit Amazon. The review information is a value-add for them, and fake reviews detract from that.

Hell, if it actually is able to reliably detect fake reviews on Amazon – which I doubt, but let’s roll with it – Amazon might buy the company that does the fake review detection to get it so that they can filter it.

isles, (edited )

I don’t agree with the assertion that fake reviews don’t benefit them, but I may be missing something. Reviews help drive consumer behavior and more reviews lead to more sales from those who are unable or unwilling to be more discerning. (Amazon takes a cut)

For others, it the idea or presence of fake reviews might drive them to a “trusted” Amazon Basics alternative, also leading to sales with a higher margin for Amazon.

Additionally, recycling listing ASINs is a common tactic that Amazon could stop and is a source of “fake” (or at least, irrelevant in content and misleading in score) reviews. There’s minimal enforcement of rules for review integrity, such as verified purchases or quid pro quo “warranties” and “free gifts” for 5 star reviews.

All the evidence I see points to Amazon preferring the status quo.

Dagrothus,

I tried posting a negative review that mentioned a quid pro quo (offered a gift card in exchange for a 5 star review) and Amazon removed it for not being relevant to the product. So baseless 5 star reviews are allowed but not 1 star reviews.

random65837,

I’ve had that happen as well, but technically they’re right, bitching about the seller isn’t relevant to the end product. That’s why there needs to be a seller rating section for them, with independent reviews / scores based on them as sellers which shows next to their seller names, same idea as eBay feedback.

FunnyUsername, (edited )
@FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

“Brushing” scams seem way too common and easily executed through Amazon in order for them to not be turning a blind eye about it, imo. My mom was sent random LED lights for months through their return program despite never ordering them or hardly using amazon at all before she figured out what was happening. It feels like at least 5% of all my purchases come with a policy breaking email from the seller contacting me asking me for a five-star review in exchange for a free gift. Or even just contacting me 6 months later from a totally unrelated purchase and offering me a gift for no reason in exchange for a five-star review. Oh, they’ll sure reimburse the money it costs to buy it! Because they really just want that five-star review! And Amazon seems to be happy allowing five-star reviews for products that are given away for free and even has a tag to let other users know, but just this method is frowned upon? I doubt it.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

So, this sounds like just another AI-authorship detector, which haven’t been very successful so far.

Dra,

Its not a technology issue so I dont think amazon will be in trouble at all

soulfirethewolf,

We literally just want passkeys and native PWA’s (add-ons do not count), and an interface optimized for Android tablets. And I refuse to use Firefox again until these things are added.

This is incredibly out of scope for a browser feature set.

turbowafflz,

I mean I don’t particularly like firefox either (although it’s still probably the browser I dislike the least), but firefox needs users to keep google from having complete control over the web.

soulfirethewolf,

but firefox needs users to keep google from having complete control over the web.

Okay, but then what does that make Apple with Safari powered by WebKit (and it’s mandated use on iOS)? In addition to the few and between browsers that make use of it like GNOME Web.

crossfadedragon, (edited )

If there’s anything I’d want built in more than anything it would be vertical tabs like what the existing sideberry extension provides. I also use Vivaldi which has it native, and I’ve been hooked ever since.

Edit: and tab manager plus. Same functionality and interface but native.

The existing extensions are fine, but if they are wanting to add things already provided by a third party, those two are my must haves for a modern browsing experience.

timicin, (edited )

Vivaldi browser is known to collect and sell your data on your usage like everything else except Firefox and chromium (not chrome); in case you didn’t already know

crossfadedragon,

I disagree wholeheartedly.

forum.vivaldi.net/topic/62387/data-collection?lan…

A web search shows others showing concerns on various sites, and dev/staff responses.

I’d be more concerned about brave, your own isp, tiktok. Then the whole deal with backdoors in Intel chips and running minix. Don’t remember if amd has the same deal.

Vivaldi is fine. From what I’ve seen they mainly check out things like what os I am running, things of that nature. I can live with that. Steam from valve knows my hardware too. Heck the oil shop knows my vin, mileage, make, and model, as far as my car goes. I can live with that as well.

The only knock against Vivaldi is it being closed source.

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

How are vertical tabs better than horizontal ones?

Vii,

easier to scroll and read and works good in wider monitors plus tabs don’t get so small you can’t read the title anymore cause its just a fixed space

Mossheart,

Cause after I have 60 tabs open I can still tell what they are cause I can read the title, not just see the fav icon.

Praise Vivaldi

crossfadedragon,

These two pretty much explained my reasons for switching to vertical. It did take a day or so to become accustomed to it, but now it feels pretty natural.

Vertical tabs to me are perfect next step in browser gui, just like when tabs became a thing to begin with.

Trainguyrom,

For people who always right click and select “open in new tab” like myself vertical tabs make my 10s or hundreds of tabs manageable

matt,
@matt@lemmy.world avatar

In this case, I would check out the Floorp browser. It is a Firefox fork that plans to be more like Vivaldi and have lots of features, including vertical tabs.

crossfadedragon,

Thanks, will do

ColeSloth,

The dedicated websites to check amazon reviews like fakespot.com have been almost completely beaten. What is Firefox going to do differently?

Lucidlethargy,

I have a Firefox extension from this website, and another one… So I’ve had this all along. I guess it’s great to hear they are building something into the product itself, though.

isles,

I’d really prefer it stay as an extension, honestly. The whole of the userbase does not need this and I hate software bloat.

random65837,

Given the amount of malicious extensions that have slips through the cracks over the years, I’d rather it baked in. Something like that is very much inline with what Mozilla is all about in the end. Useful features that many would want isn’t bloat.

Jtskywalker,

Per the article, they are integrating Fakespot into Firefox, so it won’t be different. Hopefully the tool can be improved

ColeSloth,

Yeah. Fakespot is no better at all. The best thing to do right now is know if a product has only been listed for less than a couple months and has hundreds of reviews, it’s BS.

Next up; go to the review section, sort by newest, and read those reviews. Usually the fake reviews are flooded in early and you get more real ones in later. I’ve seen things rated at like 4.5 stars with 500 reviews, but then half of the 10 most recent reviews will rate it 1 star.

Jtskywalker,

Yeah it doesn’t seem too difficult to me to see when reviews seem fishy. I have never tried fakespot myself.

Another thing to check is that the reviews match what the product is for - I have seen a lot of Amazon listings where the seller will have a product up for a long time, get a lot of positive reviews, then change the listing to something else. So it looks like the listing has been up for a long time with good reviews but it’s really a different item. Then note the seller and don’t buy anything from them lol.

0oWow,

Might be easier to just disable reviews on Amazon if you’re trying to block fake reviews lol.

MaxPower,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

Good. But remember when Firefox was supposed to be a lean alternative to other browsers? I remember.

monobot,

I do not, please inform me, since as far as I know Firefox was always trying to be featurefull browser.

CAVOK,

It was a fork off the Netscape Navigator which included a news reader, an email client, a browser and a kitchen sink, from what I remember. They took the browser part out and created Firefox, but it was called something else at first. Firebird maybe? Can’t recall.

phorq,

Maybe they mean lean compared to internet explorer toolbars? But yeah, it’s never been minimal. And I doubt this would really add that much bloat memory-wise while running.

MaxPower,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

please inform me

Mozilla Application Suite contained an email client and a HTML editor, among other things. Firefox was supposed to “just a browser”, so to speak:

Firefox was created in 2002 under the code name “Phoenix” by members of the Mozilla community who desired a standalone browser rather than the Mozilla Application Suite bundle.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox

According to the downvotes, hardly anyone remembers, even Mozilla is falling for feature creep again.

Supanova,

We’re switching to Firefox!

Substance_P,

Just did it.

Snapz,

Does anyone know the split of Amazon’s mobile app versus mobile web and desktop use? This won’t have an impact on their proprietary app and that’s a shame.

federatingIsTooHard,

i’ve found that firefox on android is one of my favorite apps, even replacing native apps in many cases.

iopq,

I watch YouTube without ads all through Firefox

Getallen,

You should look into Revanced.

netchami,
Trainguyrom,

I also entirely watch YouTube through Firefox. I’ve had no need to consider a different app for YouTube because of it

ohlaph,

Same. I even browse Lemmy in Ff.

federatingIsTooHard,

i like jerboa for handling any actual conversations i get into, but the search is worthless so i have some custom search engines configured just for lemmy:

lemmy.world/search?q=%s&type=All&listingT…

boatswain,

The question you’re responding to isn’t about the mobile app for Firefox; it’s about the mobile app for Amazon. Apparently lots of other people misread that too, so at least you’re in good company.

federatingIsTooHard,

i know it’s about the mobile app for amazon. i’m trying to suggest that people who use firefox are more likely to skip the amazon app anyway.

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