MusketeerX,

Is this a surprise to anyone?

This was already my understanding when I got the first pre-release one in 2014.

In that time, it has mainly learned how to"dim the living area lights to 50%" and “set the AC to 22 degrees”. That is about 99% of it’s use.

Wonder if that’s helped it’s AI much…

mechoman444,

An always on microphone connected to a company that is mostly known to exploit their customers and employees! Say it ain’t so!

gamer,

These types of projects are driven by metrics, and teams have some kind of quota/goal that they need to reach by a certain date to keep the project on schedule. Bonuses or job security may be on the line here, and so you may see some desperate employees “going the extra mile” to reach their goals.

Relatedly, Alexa’s voice activation sensitivity is essentially a tunable number. It can be changed to be more sensitive, so that it will activate more easily (e.g. maybe you say “Alex” instead of “Alexa”). The people who control this are likely on the team with that deadline, so the incentives are there to lower this value in order to collect more data by recording personal conversations “accidentally”. Maybe a bad update goes out that causes Alexa to activate randomly, and they quickly fix it after a few days when they collected all the non-Alexa personal conversations they need for their AI.

That’s maybe a bit too deep into the paranoia/tinfoil hat spectrum for some, but history has shown that you can’t give big tech the benefit of the doubt. Especially when you see some of the documents from the Google trial, where executives discuss rolling back new features to improve arbitrary metrics in the short term so that they can get their bonuses for the quarter, even if it hurts consumers.

sebinspace,

And Pokémon Go uses your location for its gameplay

That’s kind of how this shit works…

Orionza,
@Orionza@lemmy.world avatar

We always knew that. What they don’t tell you is your phone is also secretly listening. “Ok Google” <- turn that thing off too

naut,
kicksystem,

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but maybe you could tell me why?

naut,

it is a link to another post with few, but not limited to, reasons

optissima,
@optissima@lemmy.world avatar

it is only hard if you want it to be hard

WTF is this bullshit. Not everyone is equally capable and this reductionist shit is hurting those that do need the help.

naut,

well the title says “as long as you can”, not sure what is the issue here, just do whatever you can, don’t fold if you don’t need to, that’s it

sagrotan,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

Noooo reaaally?

lntl,

haven’t we all known this since product launch ?

lloram239,

I think most people, me included, underestimate the scale of the operation. When you hear “company will use private data to do X”, you imagine what a reasonable person would do, like random sample a few conversations here and there. In reality they record everything permanently over months and years, far beyond what would be necessary to run the service.

It’s kind of crazy how we get this level of surveillance while still having software that will lose your data if you don’t hit Save often enough.

lntl,

that’s fair. i work with data for a living so that probably biases my perspective

brlemworld,

What’s fucked up is if you try to regulate it and make these companies have data retention policies. It creates a giant moat around them where no newcomer can have a chance to compete.

biofaust,

That’s because you are not enforcing data portability at the same time. Having studied and discussed the GDPR at length within tech circles, I became convinced that data portability is the ultimate right and the key to ensure continuing innovation

gamer,

data portability is the ultimate right and the key to ensure continuing innovation

Interoperability in general is the solution to walled gardens and monopolies that harm competition, consumers, and innovation.

DemBoSain,
@DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

The new Amazon AI is going to be remarkably foul-mouthed. Every time it screws up (and it screws up a lot) I have to curse at it to make it shut up so it can hear the command again.

ImpossibilityBox,

I brings me joy when I tell her “Alexa, shut up you dumb bitch” and then she responds with that sad minor tone dejected sound.

muertinez,

not sure how much they’ll learn from me screaming “you dumb bitch” at it

Rognaut,

Yeah, I realized these things are terrible about a year ago. So, I hacked them into computer speakers using some cheap amps and a 12 volt power supply.

Spliffman1,
@Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

No wonder she’s been getting more stupid recently

mojo,

And none of it has paid off because Alexa is still super trash

tacosplease,

I love being able to dictate a grocery list but god damn is she stupid.

Good luck asking for cream cheese and chive crackers without ending up with cream cheese as one item and chive crackers as another. Or worse peanut butter and honey crackers as peanut butter and then honey crackers

wagoner,

“chive crackers with cream cheese”

“honey crackers with peanut butter”

?

blackluster117, (edited )
@blackluster117@possumpat.io avatar

The problem is that Alexa isn’t actually parsing the meaning of the total phrase, she’s taking each individual word as it comes. With that context, she would just as easily interpret your phrasing as “thing with thing on the side”. You’d still get chive crackers, honey crackers, peanut butter, and cream cheese.

Edit: I thought about this a bit more, and it seems to me the only way Alexa could actually understand what you wanted is if you said “chive cream cheese crackers” or “peanut butter honey crackers”. You have to implicitly make it one item and not a potential combination of multiple items.

Krauerking,

Yeah I had the same realization as I was reading this:
you can not add Boolean terms and expect it to not separate it.

So run on nonsense sentences are your friend and will definitely make the training from you so much more useful.

maegul,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

So who thinks this conversation here on lemmy isn’t being used to train an AI? Maybe not right now but later?

Sure the relatively small size of lemmy means it might not be scooped up and trained on. But the point still stands. All that is publicly online is food for the big-corp AI builders. And while Alexa invading your home privacy is obviously a shitty thing, I’m not sure we’ve all thought through the new relationship between us, the internet and the big AIs.

Rentlar,

Well I know I have no expectation of privacy here, but I’d rather open source LLMs train on my words along with proprietary ones, than some company hoarding information and selling it to each other.

Spliffman1,
@Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

Stop usieng such grammar gud, and ur spellang soe good you be teach to them 2 good

LiveLM,

The only thing an AI trained on Lemmy will ever be able to do is discuss the merits of socialism and talk about Linux lol

auf,

They are listening to you even when you’re not talking to alexa, did you know that

Son_of_dad,

What about just a firestick? That uses Alexa

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously. How else would it hear you say, “Alexa?”

EnderMB,

I’d love a citation on this, outside of wakeword usage (a local device waiting for "Alexa* to begin recording).

SpaceNoodle,

Source: their ass.

Alexa devices use an onboard DSP to detect the wakeword and maintain a rolling audio buffer. On a positive match, the DSP wakes the main CPU which combines the saved buffer and any following speech and uploads it to the cloud where Alexa lives so she can try to figure out what you meant.

No audio is uploaded without being triggered by a wakeword. Also, the “mute” button physically cuts power to the mic, and the indicator LED is hardwired to the power rail as a failsafe indicator.

EnderMB,

Oh, I know. For reference, I work at Amazon, so always interested in where these stories come from 😂

SpaceNoodle,

That was more for everyone else’s edification. I worked on a plethora of Amazon devices over the course of a decade.

AliceTheMinotaur,

Not going to get much out of me then, most of what Alexander hears is what’s on the TV or music I listen to. If they want to train alexa on that, their fucked

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