mo_lave,

This is partially what “eat the rich” rhetoric meant when acted on.

whoisearth,

There is seriously a mental health pandemic going on and it’s scary. Everyone here who has messages or upvotes messages about bringing out the guillotine or killing billionaires really needs to seek help.

And there is a fucking lot of you here on lemmy.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Well then, do what you tell people who condemn rapists and pedophiles to do: learn some empathy.

People who hold different opinions and worldviews than you aren’t fucking mentally ill. You are by insinuating such. You are not the center of the universe and your opinions are not automatically facts just because you hold them.

Americans actually do still have a constitutional right to advocate overthrowing their government if they want; the whole fucking point of the first and second amendments is to enable the people to do just that.

I’m tired of people like you and your vile bullshit. Don’t like it, get out of the thread. But don’t come in here with your holier-than-thou act thinking you’re going to bully or guilt trip or emotionally blackmail anybody into sitting down or submitting to your opinion like you’ve been doing to the American people for decades now.

whoisearth,

I’m sorry I don’t condone the killing of people simply because they make more than I do.

Seriously grow the fuck up.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

I’m sorry I don’t condone the murder and enslavement of millions around the world by a small dominant group of people who have no one’s best interests at heart but their own.

I’m sorry I don’t condone the perpetuation of a broken system that purposefully subjugates billions of people.

I’m sorry you’re butthurt I and a bunch of other people on the internet won’t validate your massively unjustified sense of superiority and self-importance.

You grow the fuck up.

Grow. Up. And stop protecting and defending evil people. Stop hurting society and stop hurting us.

mo_lave,

How equivalent is

“I don’t condone the killing of people simply because they make more than I do.”

to

“[condoning] the murder and enslavement of millions around the world by a small dominant group of people who have no one’s best interests at heart but their own.”?

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Go read actual history and find out.

mo_lave,

What I found out is the outcomes of events like the French Revolution and the rule of the Khmer Rouge i.e. vastly different dependent on the circumstances of the place and time.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Well, what the rest of us found out is the outcome of almost every other revolution in modern history including the American Revolution, which kickstarted modern democracy and led to the liberation of 60 other countries from enslavement, colonization and oppression.

In other words, you are just biased and here with an agenda just like you shitlords were when you inundated the Danny Masterson thread and the other news threads where you hounded on anybody who dared oppose your vile little sacred cow.

Take your political agenda out of our lives and respect our right to make up our own fucking minds. You are hurting us by acting this way: you enable and defend evil, you help the ruling class continue to subjugate the working class, and you do it all because you yourself benefit from the status quo and don’t want to miss out on McDonald’s and 7-11 because of the workers getting riled up.

mo_lave,
  1. Hurting you by acting how?
  2. Aside from “killing the rich”, how should one attack evil and break the working class’s subjugation?
pinkdrunkenelephants,
  1. Since you refuse to read:

you enable and defend evil, you help the ruling class continue to subjugate the working class, and you do it all because you yourself benefit from the status quo and don’t want to miss out on McDonald’s and 7-11 because of the workers getting riled up.

  1. By rejecting pond scum like you.
mo_lave,

I read it clearly, but how exactly did I enable and defend evil?

whoisearth,

Seems to me like you’re far more butthurt judging by this comment thread lol.

You’ve put a lot of words in my mouth that I’ve never said.

I almost guarantee you and I have more in common than you may realize unfortunately you’re so blinded by hate you’re unable to think clearly.

Mark my words we are working towards WW3 and it scares the living hell out of me because people like you are so built up in your echo chambers and you’re frothing at the mouth. There’s no difference between your attitude and those of an average Trump supporter. It’s blind rage. Looking for simple solutions to a complex world.

I seriously worry for my children. The anger is so unfocused or focused on the wrong area.

We can change the system but we have to want to. The problem is people increasingly on the left and right just want to burn it down.

SCB,

People who hold different opinions and worldviews than you

“Threatening to kill people and not wanting people to threaten to kill people are equal worldviews, actually.”

pinkdrunkenelephants, (edited )

Strawmanning and attacking memebros actually is equivalent to enabling actual violence by condemning anyone who opposes nonviolence, actually, and it’s why you all are finally, finally being downvoted and rejected by everyone else. Ackshually

SCB,

No I’m being downvoted because gamers have really rustled jimmies, and this place has a lot of commie-leaning people.

Wanna know how I know? The actual rest of society thinks this is a terrible thing to do.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

And it couldn’t possibly be that you’re just wrong.

Wanna know how I know? Because I actually think and don’t resort to blatant bandwagon fallacies like you do. Actually recent polls have even shown the number of Americans who agree with sentiments like or who accept political violence is rising, and it’s more Democrats doing it than Republicans, so you’re doubly wrong.

Take your status-quo-or-die bullshit elsewhere. We’ve had enough of it. No one has to agree with you on the issue. No one has to agree with you on nonviolence or political violence or any sort of -ence. People have the right to feel the way they want to feel and as someone with a vested stake in a liberal democracy that pretends to care about such things, by extension you have to respect that.

Let it go.

SCB,

I don’t give a shit and didn’t read this, because I think you’re a bad person. Your parents failed you.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Tell us you don’t want to admit you’re wrong without telling us you don’t want to admit you’re wrong

SCB,

Call your dad and tell him I told him he’s a terrible example.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Go to that gravestone and ask it if honor matters. Its silence is your answer.

SCB,

Didn’t read, nerd.

pinkdrunkenelephants,
SpookyUnderwear,

Thanks for the link. Some of those results were interesting. Question. Your link says that 84% disagree with the statement that “political violence against those I disagree with is acceptable”. How have you concluded this is “rising”? What is your base of comparrison?

pinkdrunkenelephants,

It was lower and now went up to like, 16-17%.

In a normal society, that number should be close to zero not because of propaganda, but because people genuinely are happy in the society they’re in.

Which clearly is not happening.

SpookyUnderwear,

I’m assuming you read this elsewhere because your source does not have a comparrison number. So at present, there is nothing to indicate the number is rising. For all we know the number of people who agree with that type of violence could have been sitting at 16% for many years.

It isn’t realistic to expect the number to be zero. There will always be radicals. Always. Even if we somehow create a perfect utopia, there will always be a handful of malcontents.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

You literally could have just Googled it instead of trying to bad-faith your way to the position you want to believe, but whatever, I Googled it for you, there you go. The one poll I posted is not the only one that shows the trend. Civil war’s a-brewing, fren.

I also didn’t say zero, I said close to zero. Jesus Christ, if you’re going to speak in bad faith you could at least try to be subtle about it. At least the assholes in the other threads would have the decency to use a motte-and-bailey. You’re just lazily throwing out strawmen and obvious garbage.

SpookyUnderwear,

Wow. You’re an angry person. I had no ill intent. Just curiosity. Hope your day goes better.

Edit: also, your provided sources are in conflict. You say it’s on the rise, but your second link is from Jan 2021 which states 33% - 36% of people “feel somewhat justified in using varying levels of violence to achieve their political goals”. However, your first link is from Sept 2022 states only 17% feel using political violence against those they disagree with is acceptable. By your own sources, it would seem to be decreasing.

Try not to put too much faith in polls.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

They just delivered what you asked for…

todayisthegreatest,

Not everyone on the internet is American bozo

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Most of us in the thread are. Sideshow Bob.

Uniquitous,

Found the rich guy

Clbull,

Somehow I get the feeling that this may not just be some unhinged internet troll throwing out online drivel from his mom’s basement. Unity’s pricing changes are posing an existential threat to smaller studios that meet the minimum income threshold and are placing the livelihoods of countless thousands of smaller game studio workers at stake. This is one of those changes that is going to impact whether you can continue to put food on the table.

John Riccitello has pissed off a lot of people with his disgusting levels of corporate greed, to the point where even the fourth circle of Hell may not be enough to punish his avarice once he pops his clogs. This move may even be worse than the crap Martin Shkreli pulled as a big pharma executive.

chiliedogg,

It’s bad, but it’s not “denying medical treatment to millions of sick people because they can’t pay” bad.

todayisthegreatest,

Martin gave the medication for free/reduced prices to people who couldn’t afford it. It was literally a smear campaign.

EnderofGames,

Really? Everyone who couldn’t afford it had access through him? This is certainly a revelation, and not something made up from the internet.

todayisthegreatest,

vanityfair.com/…/martin-shkreli-pharmaceuticals-c…

his real goal is to invent new drugs for rare diseases. Turing recently announced discounts of Dara­prim for hospitals, and Shkreli says that for people without insurance it will cost only $1 a pill. For everyone else, insurance, which he argues is paid for by corporate America’s profits, will cover the cost.

EnderofGames,

I’m surprised, it does seem that this is true. I read a lot of articles where he announced that people could apply for medication, or medicaid would pay $0.01 per pill. I couldn’t find anything about where to apply or one people who have applied and been able to get this medication, but there is already a generic alternative, so this program might be dead in the water.

As for smear campaign, I’m not so sure. Everytime I read quotes from him, it seems he just really likes to play the “bad boy”. Maybe he just wants people to think pharmaceutical companies are scumbags, so when he ran one he purposefully made himself look bad. Shkreli definitely didn’t seem to care that people got a bad impression of him.

Wogi,

Bruh it’s video games.

SCB,

People here are having a fuckin real one man.

EnderofGames,

Bruh it’s people’s livelihoods.

Wogi,

Video game development is some of the worst paid tech sector jobs. Most developers will be able to move on to other work with relatively little interruption. It’s not ideal by any stretch but it’s not nearly on the same level as price gouging life saving pharmaceuticals

EnderofGames,

I don’t think devs that work for corporations really care about this change, if their group used Unity for some reason, they will just move on to their next job (and they’re the ones who are worst paid). Every indie dev or otherwise small dev company that has used Unity ever in it’s last ten years are now open to serious bad actors. A single person running a script can cost a dev hundreds of thousands of dollars on their own, whether a troll, just same guy pissed off for some reason or another, or even a competing dev. Hell, the one idiot living in his mother’s basement who sent death threats to Unity could also do it.

There is no “relatively little interruption”, as not only have people lost a lot of work on something they already paid for, they also have to remove all previous work they’ve made or published with the engine. It’s all susceptible to attack.

I agree it’s not on the same level as pharma scum, but saying “it’s just a video games” is much too far off the other end of the spectrum. At least Shkreli never managed to bankrupt people who had purchased anything (from him) in the past, or made them ‘regurgitate’ any benefits they had seen. Though I’m sure he’d have loved to.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

You are correct but in the opposite way, it seems it was a single employee at their company instead which the boss took and decided to say we’re getting death threats we’re going to close for the day, basically so he could go home early and people would feel bad for him and maybe not give him the flak that he deserves for such an awful decision that’s going to ruin the lives of smaller legitimate game developers who use unity.

FoundTheVegan,
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

This is a reminder that there are crazy people on the internet.

But this is NOT a reason to have sympathy for Unity.

greavous,

This is a reminder that paying for a subscription means t&cs can be changed. You aren’t buying the engine etc just a license to access/use it for a period of time. Stop buying subscriptions!

Buffalox, (edited )

Starting on January 1, developers will be charged a fee every time someone installs a game built in Unity after they reach certain revenue or install thresholds.

Obviously death threats are not ok, but for fucks sake, that change is insane. People may install games many times for many reasons, like switching drives, computer, OS or debugging, or corruption, or because they go back to it after not playing for a while.

How is it a good model to charge for repeated installs?

The decision sparked an astonishing backlash against Unity from across the gaming industry,

I bet, this will threaten some people on their livelihood, and if you are 90% finished on a project, it’s an insane change that will force you to switch to another engine, and could kill several projects.

Also as a user, this increases the need and amount of DRM mechanics, which we need less not more of.

I hope Unity will see a massive dive in customers on these policies. This is the kind of decision a company deserves bankruptcy for. And the CEO John Riccitiello deserves to be fired without benefits, and never hired as CEO again.

Edit PS:

The fee is up to $0.20, that’s steep and would mean the end of sub $10 games. This would hurt single and indie developers very much.

Luckily there are other engines, but Unity used to be among the good ones, now they’ve become an untrustworthy player, and that decreases competition for the entire field.

HawlSera,

This is why we cannot let monopolies control the internet. Between twitter, reddit, and unity…

EnglishMobster,

Unreal is much more entrenched than Unity is. At the AAA level, more places hire Unreal devs than Unity devs.

Unity is popular with indies because it’s dead simple (Unreal is a complex monster of an engine). But even Unreal doesn’t have a monopoly, between things like Source, Lumberyard (which is now FOSS and run by the Linux Foundation), etc. Not to mention you can always roll your own engine, which many places already have.

bioemerl,

This is becoming standard operating procedure from companies that want a quick PR boost.

Eezyville,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well looking on the bright side. If death threats are starting to become common for the decisions that companies make then maybe WFH should also be common to protect employees. Can’t target employees at an empty office. The employees will have to be careful with social media however.

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Personally I’m leaning more towards wanting to handle the death threats themselves.

Because ya know they would continue and now you have to arm your home because corporate greed

Hate this idea a lot

SCB,

because or corporate greed

Corporate greed didn’t force these lunatics to have a gamer moment. There are ways to express displeasure that aren’t fucking death threats man.

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Never once did I say corporate greed was a root cause , just the logical cause to the specific predicament I was speaking of.

No shit the terrorist is the source of the issue.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Well it seems like there we’re no death threats and the CEO largely made this up basically as an excuse to close the office.

For the record it was a single employee, there were no people sending them death threats.

Eezyville,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

I like how you included a Lemmy link to a Reddit thread. We’re gonna go full circle soon!

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

It would certainly be funny if someone linked this thread there.

Tischkante,

All because Amongus sold so many times…

Dick_Justice,
@Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

Mm, I’m curious as to what the threats actually were. I’ve seen people claim they got death threats because someone tweeted “kys” at them in response to their homophobic bullshit.

Ozymati,
@Ozymati@lemmy.nz avatar

One threat, from and employee. Sigh.

More realistic outcome - some game loving tweenage hacker does something fantastically destructive in whatever part of their infrastructure they can get into.

alienanimals,

Oh no, the poor rich corporate executives who were just trying to fuck over their usebase made up some death threats!

Time to lick some boots - many of the people in this thread.

agitatedpotato,

Im just happy a rich man is facing consequences for his actions, even if he made them up.

Immersive_Matthew,

Unity is the sort of company Steve Jobs called out in this 2 min video clip. youtu.be/tGKsbt5wii0?si=v8_A2jW5uLewhbVS

anlumo,

I still don’t get how a guy with such brilliant insight could be an absolute moron in other areas (such as his personal medical treatment)…

Rin,

I don’t understand, could you expand on his medical treatment?

anlumo,

He had easily treatable cancer if diagnosed early enough (which it was). He refused treatment, because he insisted on curing himself only using his exclusively fruit-based diet.

When that didn’t help (what a surprise), he finally caved and did try to get treatment, but by then it was too late.

Rin,

Thank you for your explanation. I didn’t really know about his cancer more than the fact that he died from it.

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Come on people glitter bombs and ddos is so much funnier

BrudderAaron,
@BrudderAaron@lemmy.world avatar

Glitterbombing, Harmless fun for the whole family!

Piogre314,

'member blackfaxing?

sadreality, (edited )

Rich people love "death treats" start to think they pay others to call them in to appear like victims haha

Uniquitous,

Hopefully no one tries to kill the rank & file employees who have no decision-making power. Save it for the execs!

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Or just don’t send death threats… what a bunch of petulant lunatics people are.

Disagree and express your disagreement, don’t use the opportunity express your violent inner child. You just distract from the actual issue you “care” about.

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