DocMcStuffin,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

Microsoft really needs an antitrust smackdown with their repeated behavior.

MattTheTekie,

That didn’t work in the 90s.

DocMcStuffin,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

In retrospect, DoJ didn’t go far enough back then and ignored Microsoft’s anti-competitive behavior with BeOS.

chaogomu,

Part of it was Reagan massively weakened antitrust law after Ma Bell was broken up.

MattTheTekie,

This is why we can’t have good things.

WarmSoda,

Ma Bell, the ill communication

MattTheTekie,

Looking at the lobbying with the MS-Activision mess, and how broken the government here is. I’m sure they would of gave in.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Which sucked because BeOS was really good for its time.

dogslayeggs,

I was so excited to try BeOS back then. I don’t think I ever got my hands on a copy, but it just looked so good.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I got to play with a BeBox for a few hours at a friend’s store and it was pure joy to play with compared to what Apple and Microsoft had to offer.

ChickenAndRice,

For anyone curious about BeOS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk

Also there’s apparently an open source version of it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-zgv0CZfco

hoshikarakitaridia,

Or in:

  • 2000
  • 2002
  • 2003
  • 2005
  • 2008
  • 2011
  • (2022)

Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

MattTheTekie,

Kuduos to you doing your HW. :)

MattTheTekie,

Yes

Darorad,

It might work if the fine was a couple hundred billion, we can give them a payment plan.

MattTheTekie,

Yes they do!

PHLAK,
@PHLAK@lemmy.world avatar

So does Google though if we’re being honest.

Rai,

Microsoft saying “stop using Google” is actually totally fine with me.

But only if they’re saying “go get Firefox.”

The_Mixer_Dude,

Shouldn’t Apple be the focus of efforts?

HughJanus,

Why not both?

I think in reality the Chrome web browser is a huge threat to Internet freedom and should be a top priority.

The_Mixer_Dude, (edited )

Well one is trying to crack down on people using adblockers and the other is lobbying governments they don’t pay taxes to so that they are allowed to continue using forced ethnic slavery to make their products.

HughJanus,

You think Google is going out of their way to ensure their devices are made in ethical factories?

nutsack,

I didn’t think that sort of thing happened anymore

Anemervi,

If you need more ammunition they recently also changed it so all links in Outlook opens in Edge even if it’s not the default browser. You have to go to settings and find an entirely separate default browser setting to stop it.

selfreferentialname,

I switched to Thunderbird because of that bullshit. It’s getting worse. I’ll be looking for a good Linux distro for my next laptop.

RanchOnPancakes,
@RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world avatar

I mean on one hand, terrible behavior. On the other, good.

NaibofTabr,

I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.

ominouslemon,

I mean I see your point, but you cold also argue that anything that can weaken a monopoly is a good thing, in the grand scheme of things

idotherock,

Who’s monopoly are we talking about? If that’s the goal then Firefox + DuckDuckGo would be more sensible right?

Darorad,

100% but Microsoft and Google splitting 50 - 50 would be better than the current Google 90 - 9.9 - 0.1 it currently is.

ominouslemon,

Of course it would be more sensible, but that was not the point

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

DuckDuckGo’s search results suck, is there another alternative I can use that gets its indexes from google? I don’t care about censorship

idotherock,

I think Ecosia pulls results from Bing if that’s any better? I use them occasionally but generally prefer DDG.

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

I use StartPage but it’s incredibly slow.

idotherock,

Ah yeh, I tried StartPage for a while. IIRC the image results page wasn’t so great. Not many filter options and so on.

RanchOnPancakes,
@RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.

Search wise? No. Competition wise? Yes.

Google has too much power.

AbsolutelyNotCats,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

Just a reminder that if you’re using Windows, it’s not your property but Microsoft’s one

zoostation,

No different than Chrome.

MrSnowy,

They’re talking windows in general

This goes for both chrome and bing: If a service is free, you are the product.

Kbobabob,

If a service is free, you are the product.

Linux?

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

You are the tester lol

GigglyBobble,

True for Windows as well. Ever upgraded to a new version before the first SP? Linux just gets upgrades a lot faster than Windows (and I mean the conservative distros like Debian. Bleeding-edge distros are on a completely other level).

Unaware7013,

Don't even need to upgrade, you get to test monthly if you're not brave enough to hang a month behind.

lemme_at_it, (edited )

Microsoft have been known to ship a product with thousands of known bugs on its release date. In the networking space (Windows NT), there were Technet CDs that were released to fix all manner of known bugs just so the corporates wouldn’t have to wait for a Service Pack

CarbonIceDragon,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Perhaps a better statement would be, if a for profit service is free, you are the product. Obviously it’s possible for someone to make free stuff if they want to, but if someone is making money from you using something, but you aren’t paying them, then they’re making that money by selling someone else access to you.

captainlezbian,

Linux is just an advertisement to contribute to open source

lustrum,

Right but licenses for pro are £200 RRP.

Don’t then beg me to use your services, just fuck off and let me use Windows how I want

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

While both companies are predatory I would never use Edge because its so bad and bloated its not even funny.

StarServal,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

Edge is just Chromium now.

coffeebiscuit,

Always has been.

umami_wasbi,

I want the old Edge (pre-Chromium) back. It is the best EPUB reader. Simple yet elegant. Sad they doesn’t bring it back.

Johnmannesca,
@Johnmannesca@lemmy.world avatar

Why not just use Calibre?

umami_wasbi,

Calibre performance is worst then the old Edge in term of loading time. The old Edge loads almost instantly. Plus the interface is more user friendly then Calibre.

idotherock,

And I feel like that happened really quickly. It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Edge was a nice, nimble browser. Not this bloated naggy beast it is now.

pjhenry1216,

I find Edge better than Chrome at the very least. Granted, I don't use either as my main options, but between the two Edge seems more responsive and lighter than Chrome (and before anyone misunderstands, I know they both use the same engine, I'm referring to ... well, prior to Google, I would have referred to it as the chrome, but can't really do that now... the application around the engine).

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Edge is better than Chrome. Which isn't that hard these days...

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Really? I have tested Edge on other people’s pc long time ago. Whats your opinion on it.

Phantom3805,

I daily edge at work because I just wanted to and I like how it integrates with our domain. It’s fine, but I did have to spend some time turning off weird things like price trackers or whatever it was.

I still use Firefox at home though.

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

I use firefox all the time but I get random freezes and stutters when I’m watching YouTube. Is it because of the number of addons I have?

lemme_at_it, (edited )

Run Firefox with all add-ons disabled for a baseline check.Then turn on/off hardware acceleration in settings

tsonfeir,

Nothing Microsoft does is good. Nothing google does is good.

Choose an alternative that values you.

KeyserSoze61,

I don’t even value me, no corporation gives a crap. They want you and your recurrent income.

Nougat,

meirl

tsonfeir,

So don’t go with a mainstream option.

QuaternionsRock,

This “solution” completely ignores the volumes of software that is still only compatible with Windows. This is exactly the belief that Microsoft wants you to have: the illusion that you have a choice between Windows and other, equal alternatives. And before someone starts spouting off about WINE: it truly is a wonderful piece of software, and I don’t mean to disparage any of its talented contributors, but it will likely never even approach feature parity with Windows. I mean, it still can’t run the industry standard 3D modeling program.

tsonfeir,

I’m aware of the pitfalls.

natsume_shokogami,

I think that compared to video games, productive softwares, especially “industry standard” ones, rely more on Windows APIs at much more accuracy (and since Wine and its forks such as Proton have to rely on black-box reverse engineering to avoid copyright infringement), the API calls may not have the exact values 100% of the time which is more tolerable to videos games but much less on productive softwares.

Another reason is that most of these softwares unlike most video games are likely using many Windows’ quirks or bugs and are likely less using standard (such as WinUI, DirectX,…) or cross platform toolkit (Qt, GTK,…), making reimplementing the environments and libraries to run the softwares much harder.

Oh, and not even counting that many of those softwares may also use kernel-level DRMs which Wine/Proton/Crossover/… are only userspace level to prevent pirates. This was actually a problem in video games too when many video games, mostly multiplayer ones implement kernel level anticheats or DRMs, until Valve contacted the anticheat/DRM developer as well as the release and popular of the Steam Deck make developers care more about Wine/Proton compatibility, but even then there are some developers still don’t implement Wine/Proton compatibility or even worse ban Linux users for circumvent the artificial incompatibility.

Unsustainable,
@Unsustainable@lemmy.today avatar

I want you and your recurrent income.

yukichigai,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

I'll settle for one that has a vague indifference to me.

tsonfeir,

Slackware

cmnybo,

Linux and Firefox with uBlock Origin.

leavemealone,

Meh gamepass is cool for now. It will probably go up in price and become shitty when they get enough market share but until then it is super cool. And honestly I think bing/edge is now the better choice as a search engine/browser compared to Google/chrome. But no way I will give up my Firefox.

tsonfeir,

Edge (and that joke Brave) is chromium and that supports google’s control of the web. Firefox, or Safari on a Mac, don’t use google’s tech.

leavemealone,

Firefox is the best for me. I thought chromium was open source though and not necessarily owned by Google.

tsonfeir,

Google controls it and allows people to use it so their own browser technology has the market share and can shape the web.

Denying google, a for-profit and evil company to shape a valuable public resource is dangerous.

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

The problem is that Linux’s user experience is simply not good enough for normal users.

It’s absolutely correct to blame Microsoft and Google. But Linux also needs to do more to appeal to non-tech people.

tsonfeir,

That’s probably not going to happen

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Which is why we’re still stuck with Windows…

tsonfeir,

There’s always macOS.

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Apple also doesn’t care about you. It’s also overpriced.

tsonfeir,

What part of the $1299 MacBook Pro and iMac, the $999 MacBook Air, or the $599 Mac Mini is over priced?

You would struggle to find the power of those for lower prices, especially with the quality and support Apple provides. And it’s nearly impossible to find hardware like that with full Linux support.

ProfessorProteus,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

I’m holding onto hope actually. I recently started dual-bootung into Mint and the installation process was a breeze. The only thing I could imagine a “typical” user finding difficult is setting up the flash drive for booting/installation. The UI is nice and familiar too. As a Linux newbie I hear that Mint is basically Ubuntu, and that (modern) Ubuntu is hot garbage, but even if it caused my computer to take an actual shit on the floor, it still beats Windows by a country mile.

I think (perhaps too optimistically) that with some more awareness we could see a fairly sizeable migration.

tsonfeir,

Why do you think it’s hot garbage?

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

I too am curious. I see this often here on Lemmy, that Ubuntu is shitty. I’m wondering why.

I will say they keep fucking up the window manager, and I personally always have to go and manually install unity. Which is annoying.

But other than that, I don’t see it as shitty. What am I missing?

tsonfeir,

Well, there is a transition away from X because it’s old, but wayland is still new. People are having issues. So, just use X, I say?

Other than that, it’s the most popular distro (or a forked version of it).

Buuuuut yes, a lot of “preference” comes down to the interface.

Mint is good I hear. I’d be more interested in Pop, myself.

ProfessorProteus,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t mean to make it seem like I had any opinion either way, just that it has received some hate over the years. I did some research - admittedly it was cursory - and it looks like the issues are somewhat exaggerated.

Canonical, it seems, has made a number of poor decisions but apparently they pay attention to user complaints and revert / make adjustments accordingly. Some of the controversial things I saw were related to the Snap package manager, possible telemetry, bloatware, and some partnership with Amazon.

Some of those things were either nothingburgers or simply overblown (one person said the only thing they could see as bloatware was… a few board games), so I would take their anecdotes with a grain of salt.

Again, I’m a relative idiot when it comes to Linux, but my takeaway is that Ubuntu suffers from the typical growing pains / compromises that a relatively popular OS will inevitably encounter. Especially when most of the Linux userbase consists of power users who prefer having complete control (which is perfectly fair too!)

Use whatever distro fits your needs; as long as you ditch Microsoft, you’re making a good choice :)

AceFuzzLord,

With the way the average person uses a computer, the Linux user experience would probably melt their brains. No offense to the average computer user, but we have seen time and time again that they are not the brightest when it comes to tech literacy or just don’t care and refuse to care since it goes against the grain, so to speak.

NevermindNoMind,

Hi, average user here, I’ve been daily driving Linux (primarily Ubuntu) for a decade or more. Most of my life in a computer is spent in a web browser, word document, or maybe a spreadsheet. Even at my office job it’s the same, except for some proprietary time tracking and billing software. I’d imagine 90 percent of consumers spend the vast majority of their time on computers in the web browser. Most people don’t mess around with much beyond that.

I just don’t understand what is lacking in the Linux user experience. It’s not any different from a Windows user learning to use a Mac computer. Figure out how to connect to wifi, figure out how to mess with the volume, open a browser and that’s it.

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

I’m sorry, but I kind of doubt you are what I consider a “normal user”, seeing as you’re in a technology community on Lemmy. Just the fact that you are here indicates a higher than average tech literacy.

crossal,
@crossal@lemmy.world avatar

Normal in terms of what they use their computer for

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Look at us, all sophisticated over here.

DrSleepless,

But I already ditched it

Kerrigor,
@Kerrigor@kbin.social avatar

Joke's on them, I switched. To Firefox

MagneticFusion,

Good advice (ditching Google) but bad solution (joining Microsoft)

hiramfromthechi, (edited )
@hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world avatar

As usual, it’s only Big Tech that’s able to compete with Big Tech. They all love to throw their weight around when they can, and join forces when it’s convenient.

Neither corporation should be defended or trusted with your data.

The only thing that’s kinda funny here is the irony of Microsoft tryna poach Chrome users into their own… wait for it… Chromium-based browser.

Johnmannesca,
@Johnmannesca@lemmy.world avatar

Both of them also like to lease out their software and not actually let you own anything, expecting you to be happily complacent.

const_void,

Coworkers have been complaining on Teams all day about how the Bing bar is suddenly showing up on their desktops. When did Microsoft stop giving a fuck about businesses? I wish to fucking god we could run Linux on our work machines.

FoundTheVegan, (edited )
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

I am so glad it wasn't just me! Like the article said, I legit thought I had some sort of malware on my machine. Which I guess is true, they just call it windows. I really only use my machine for gaming and every time I've tried to switch to linux I had all sorts of compability issues.

Open question to all. Is SteamOS all that it's cracked up to be? I'm still gonna have game by game issues right?

520,

The only machine you wanna be using SteamOS on is the Steam Deck. Use a standard Linux distribution like Ubuntu if you're gonna do it on any other machine. The reason being that the version of SteamOS for generic PCs is horribly outdated, and the one on the Deck is very much built exclusively for the Deck's hardware.

Gaming mostly works out of the box with almost all games on Steam on Linux (SteamOS is not special in this regard) but there is an important caveat; be careful of games that use anticheat software - some work but others do not or may trigger bans. Check ProtonDB for your specific games to see if there are issues.

lemmyvore,

SteamOS is mainly for the Steam Deck not regular PC or laptop. For a gaming distro I would recommend one of PopOS, Manjaro or Garuda.

I suggest grabbing the live image for each of them, booting it, and seeing how it feels without committing to anything. I usually test to see if everything works out of the box on the live mode — music, video, network shares, wifi, any peripherals you might have like headphones, fancy mouse or keyboard etc.

FoundTheVegan,
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

Thank you for the suggestions! I mean, the SteamOS was really my only touch point for linux gaming, I haven't paid attention much to linux since trying wine out like a.... decade ago? I'll give those distros a look and see what feels right! ♥

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Basically a good distro + Steam is similar to Windows + Steam, with all the proton stuff and the same (optional) big picture mode as the Steam Deck. It'll handle setting up most games for you real nicely.

For a DE personally I love Plasma; xfce or Cinnamon would be my next choices. I don't understand why so many power users like the modern gnome (Ubuntu default)

Random other tangent: I really miss the old Big Picture mode. Few things about the new one are good, but most is worse and a few things are relatively broken still. I know I'm in the minority thinking that though

batmaniam,

As a recent penguin I don’t get the gnome thing either. To each their own and whatnot but to me it just reminds me of the weird themes from the early 2000s. I clicked into plasma loved it.

But, you know, it’s Linux. So I can try gnome and tweak it anytime I want to see if it grows on me. Love it.

lemme_at_it,

Pop_OS is the least maintenance intensive of the three, from my experience - if that is a concern to you

pangolinpalantir,

I use a steam deck for about 2/3 of my gaming and I rarely have issues with games. That said, I mostly play indie games, but there is so much of my library that is supported that I’m never going to run out of things to play. Proton has really done wonders for gaming on Linux. Are you wanting to play multiplayer games or brand new releases? Or are you more of the patient gamer type?

I wouldn’t run steamos on a full desktop, but you can still get a lot of the benefits just by using steam on Linux. Definitely recommend trying it out.

FoundTheVegan,
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

Oh I am definitely a very patient gamer, my GF talked me in to baulders gate with her. But it's been years since I bought something new. The majority of my steam library is indie stuff. I poked around on ProtonDB and it looks like 70% of my library is rated highly. So I am thinking this is a serious option for me. Gonna give days or two to think on it before committing to the hassle of a dual boot, but all these tools and comments are giving me a lot of peace of mind to try.

miketunes_,

That’s why they try to sell Windows 10 Enterprise instead of professional. You can block most of that in Enterprise.

kitonthenet,

this is an extremely funny admission that--much like meta blowing $14b on the metaverse even though it sucked--microsoft spent $10b on bing AI and it didn't move the needle at all

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Something something pot called the kettle black

samokosik,
@samokosik@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Switching to Linux was a great decision. Windows has gone downhill since 2009

Salvo,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

This headline should be “Microsoft forces people to ditch Edge by using malware-like pop-ups in Windows 11 to get people to ditch Google.”

Madex,

Well Windows 11 got me to use arch, for which I use btw

ademir,
@ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Hahahaha perfect

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

I tried installing arch but it would tell me there’s no such thing as vda or something I looked it up but found no answer so I switched to pop!_OS

UnPassive,

Love pop!_OS, Manjaro is a really cool and good fork of Arch that’s easy to install if rolling distributions are something you’re interested in

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

seems like a good idea to try it out, thanks. :D

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