I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
I thought they jumped to it because ancient, poorly made software would check for Windows 9* to cover 95 and 98, and could now potentially catch windows 9 as well
Java was one of those poorly made software, but it seems stupid to program a check like that. What’s the chance that after Windows 98, Microsoft would release Windows 99? The check should just used the version number. If Windows 95 was 4.0 and Windows 98 was 4.1 should have done the check as “4.*” as a future compatible version could have been 4.2 (win me was 4.9) while one with so many changes that it might need a newer version of the app could have been 5.0 (windows 2000)
IMHO that’s a coincidence of the build counter. 7 was 7600, 8 was 9200 and 8.1 was 9600. Then they changed how often they redo a build, so now it’s over 23000
But at the time of win 10 release I saw on Twitter a screenshot of a decompiled ancient Java setup that did a check “if Windows 9*”…
Personally, the only reason I don’t fully switch to Linux is because of the Adobe Suite, but other than that, I would absolutely make the switch. I’m hoping that if this promopts enough people to make the switch, then Adobe will finally make versions of their Programs for Linux.
Not the poster above, but just wondering here. I don’t use Adobe products. I can see a VM not being the best. How about Wine? Can you just install Photoshop via vutris and go?
No, unfortunately. If it was possible, I think we could have gotten everyone that is stuck on Windows because of Adobe, over to Linux by now. Same story with M$ office. BUT that is kinda changing, because for M$ office, we have Office Online and Libreoffice available as alternatives that do the job really well, they got me through college. As for Adobe, there is an online version of Photoshop that you can run in a browser, so hopefully that will get good enough to allow some users to switch to Linux for professionals. Now for personal users they can probably just switch to GIMP. But even then, there’s the issue of the other Adobe Creative Cloud Suite.
I tried wine recently to see if I can get Total Annihilation to work. I played with Wine in the mid 2000’s and gotten office 2003 to run on Suse then.
OMFG the mess when I recently tried to just run a simple exe that doesn’t even need a full installation.
Adobe sadly don’t just make Photoshop which is a remarkably good product. Even more so with their new features. I use Lightroom and nothing that exists for Linux comes close. All that needs some serious GPU integration.
DaVinci resolve is amazing and a real alternative to Premiere. The problem I see is binary compatibility. Even Linus admits that the Linux desktop has a problem with that.
I do have high hopes for web tech to evolve enough to make cross platform a thing again. Maybe ChromeOS will help there. VS Code is a good example here. With WebGl Vulkan in the browser and OpenCL that should become viable soon.
haven’t tried Photoshop, but what exe didn’t work in wine for you? If I load them in with Lutris, I haven’t found anything I can’t run. Just having wine installed and double clicking an exe I haven’t had as much luck, it doesn’t find dependencies.
Edit: I misread. I can try out Total Annihilation and see if it works. Lutris + protonGE has been pretty much perfect for me these days
that would be awesome. i assume youve tried foss alternatives to adobe apps. they arent as good usually (ofc), but still great for most uses imo, unless u are doing stuff proffessionally i suppose
I work professionally with Adobe programs, but quite frankly, it’s ridiculous that there’s no Linux support. Heck, even Cinema4D and Redshift support Linux.
They would never. In their mind if you are using Linux is because you can’t afford windows. And if you can’t afford windows then you can’t afford adobe
Older versions are supported via wine/crossover, but not official support
The only mainstream professional graphics program with official Linux support was Corel draw, but for a single version twenty years ago, because they acquired a Linux distribution and they wanted to do a bundle os+office+desktop graphics. But nobody bought it (it’s difficult to even find a pirated copy of that) so they scrapped the idea immediately
This is what happens when one part of their business (Game Pass) does well and they want to translate that success to other operations. What they don’t realize is that Windows is less a product and more a service, and you can’t make money on services. Not for long, anyway.
Right, but I meant a service in the traditional sense, like trains or food stamps or whatever. Windows is so ubiquitous with operating a PC at this point, and they’ve literally given it away for free for so long at this point that if they start charging a subscription for it nobody’s gonna go along with it. Microsoft’ll be in the same position they are now, but they’ll lose a lot of money implementing this BS.
Gotta be like 90% of people have never installed an OS because Windows was already on their PC when they bought it.
To them, its part of buying a PC. They don’t consider the OS a separate purchase.
If they make this move they’re banking on people not noticing until after they’ve bought a shiny new PC. After that most people will suffer the cost because they already own the PC and its just “easier.”
Then you’re installing the OS anyways, and with Linux you’re skipping the whole “buying a license from a shady reseller” part because there is no payments or license keys involved. And it is much easier to install a friendly distribution like Linux Mint, than to install Windows. The Windows installer looks almost as archaic as the Debian installer.
why assume I use shady reseller? every big electronics chain sells windows licenses. window installer looking “archaic” ? u advocate for amd too bcs nvidia control panel looks archaic too? zero windows issues mentioned so far
Point is, shady resellers make you pay 20-30 bucks, official stores make you pay even more, with Linux you pay nothing.
Now onto the Windows issues:
Crazy system requirements. You can bypass them, but the real question is: why do you have to even bother bypassing them in the first place?
Crazy resource usage. You can debloat Windows with something like CTT’s winutil, but the resource usage still isn’t close to the heaviest Linux desktop (GNOME).
Telemetry aka data collection, also called spying in some circles. You can disable most of it with the aforementioned winutil, but even then you can’t be sure that it was all stripped out.
Ads. Again, most, but you can never be sure if all, have been removed with third party tools.
And can I just ask: why do you even have to bother with using extra third party tools to do all that? In Linux, it comes disabled out of the box, and most of it doesn’t even exist.
Worse install process. It takes much longer, you have to go through workarounds to ensure you can bypass the forced usage of a Microsoft account. The install and setup process, from booting the iso, to logging into your installed system takes longer on Windows (I’ve had it take about 30 minutes sometimes, while a typical Linux install would take about 10-15 minutes)
Choice. You don’t like the default Windows-like paradigm? How about a MacOS-like one, or a completely unique one? You want something that has very few customisation options (Cinnamon, GNOME), or something extremely customisable (KDE Plasma, Standalone Window Managers like Openbox, AwesomeWM, Qtile etc.)
Customisability. You don’t like the default window decorations? Or your bar? You want it to be a floating dock, you want it on one side, or at the top? You want to use a tiling window manager, with their extreme customisability? You can do all that on Linux. There are projects that attempt that on Windows, but they are just gimmicks at the end of the day, because gou can’t actually replace the proper Windows shell. Technically, you could do it in the past, but all of these projects are basically dead and none of them offer tiling so…
Freedom. Linux isn’t just free as in beer, it is also free as in Freedom. Thousands of volunteers work tirelessly on the various projects that come together to male up your distribution of choice. And most of them do it for free because they like the project and more often than not, because they use it themselves.
Security. Even out of the box, if you are to compare the list of vulnerabilities for Windows and Linux systems, you will find multiple remote code execution, and iirc, privilege escalation vulnerabilities on Windows. This means that if an attacker wanted to, they could execute malicious code as admin remotely, without ever touching the system.
Exclusive features. You might have heard that only in the last few years, Microsoft has started to include things like a decent terminal experience, the winget package manager, full disk encryption, tabs in the file manager, etc. all of which are features that have existed on Linux for years, if not decades. There are some that still keep on making their way on Windows, when they have existed for many years on Linux, such as floating taskbars (which is apparently coming to Windows 12), while some features (like Changing the position of the bar) are actually being removed on Windows!
I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can think of, off the top of my head.
No such thing on Linux. There are updates. You want to apply them? Okay, go on. You don’t? Okay, that’s alright too.
And something else: you don’t have to reboot. You only have to reboot on Linux if you are doing a kernel upgrade. If you’re upgrading anything else, it’s perfectly fine.
what crazy system requirements i have same motherboard since 2015. win10 supported until 2025, windows makes me change motherboard every decade 😠
every thread i read about gnome people are complaining idk whats going on but its obv not ready yet
why would i want to bypass miccrosoft account i made one with an email in 2 minutes 10 years ago, linux takes 10 minutes less? its ok i install my os once per decade ill take a 10 minute loss
no customization options?I change my taskbar colour, my wallpaper, my starting menu tiles idk what more I need
security issues? as always i dont open random exe and never had viruses
exclusive features? what wrong with terminal i open it and type commands is linux one more luxurious? idc. idk what winget package manager, full disk encryption do never affected me
forced updates, i dont know enough to skip them plus u like security so u should be glad people are up to date right
rebooting system this isnt 2010 i have ssd, sneezing takes me longer, 2-3 restarts per month? whatever
no actual issues, all programs i want are on windows, free is not enough reason to migrate
edit plus ive already paid for my os so i dont earn anything by migrating atm
They were just specifying good prebuilds. The only hardware that would cause problems would be niche proprietary parts on laptops and prebuilds. All custom-builds will work fine the large majority of the time.
ive heard fedora was bought by ibm or something now they go close source? ubuntu goes bad too with snaps? debian not for beginners i think and how old does it get? I want stability subscribing is way easier im not 15 anymore
Fedora is not closed source. Snaps don’t matter for your average user. Debian is fine for beginners. These distros are all very stable, and none of them are going to make you pay for them when they upgrade.
ok its open source until red hat says so theyre sold now, ubuntu is at the mercy of canonical’s whims too, debian i know it doesnt change for a long time, idk how long until apps break etc. I have no reason to dump microsoft thats already working and my windows programs for a less evil big corp
There are plenty of completely community run distros. I’m not trying to make you switch to Linux, just pointing out that your reasoning wasn’t right. If you’re comfortable and don’t care about FOSS, privacy, ownership of your OS, etc., then Windows is fine.
I think it's probably an Indian English-ism. It's understandable but sounds weird to speakers of American English (and maybe other English dialects).
A more natural sounding title (to an American English speaker) would use "Microsoft is making" or "Microsoft is planning to make" rather than "Microsoft might want to be making".
Since when has windows 11 been deprecated? After windows 7 I switched to Linux and all I hear is new windows is around the corner and even worse! How does this company even keep customers, when all they do is upgrade their windows?!
Honestly I like Windows 11 better than Windows 10. I mean I don’t like or use either one, but if I had to I’d go with 11 (with debloat script, Powertoys, WSL2 and blocking telemetry with DNS as much as possible)
This is subjective of course but I prefer both the visual and sound theme of Win11 (I despised Win10 in both regards). Plus it has some additional nice qol features like, I think, tabs in explorer?
Anything after 7 is bad in my eyes. I HATE the direction Windows went with the UI style, doing away with the Vista and 7 Aero look. Plus Windows 10 drives me up the wall trying to find the proper settings (is it Settings or Control Panel? Why do we have both?!).
7 was the GOAT but i use 10 now and its almost indistinguishable from what i remember from 7 after tweaking some settings. I do agree that finding your settings can be annoying af.
This is just another move in that direction. Maybe the next version will be a thin client where you stream most of your apps. The pricing wouldn’t change, only where apps are run.
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