zephyrvs,

I always have Tor installed and I often use it instead of incognito browser sessions when researching stuff. It’s sometimes slow and Cloudflare made it a lot more annoying to use than ~5-10 years ago, but I’m glad it exists.

I’m sure it’s still more useful to US interests though, or it wouldn’t be funded anymore.

kent_eh,

Any time I’ve tried to use Tor in the past I gave up because it was frustratingly slow.

astral_avocado,
@astral_avocado@programming.dev avatar

Those onion layers don’t add up to nothing… also I’ve heard it’s under constant attack. Plus not enough people running relays and exit nodes.

lassy,

Light browsing is good

davehtaylor,

There is no amount of money that you could pay me to run an exit node

On,
@On@kbin.social avatar

Hence the rumors that the feds and state actors do the most of it.

davehtaylor,

And I absolutely believe it. If anyone can run an exit node, then there’s absolutely no way the NSA isn’t running one and sniffing all the traffic

ErgodicTangle,

If they don’t control most of the nodes in-between they can control all the exit nodes they want. If you connect though 3 Tor nodes, as soon as one of them is not controlled by them they likely can’t identify you.

That’s not to say that they don’t control most of the nodes, and your traffic likely goes through NSA nodes exclusively

jarfil,

The CIA, not the NSA. Tor is a great way for agents deployed abroad to phone home with plausible deniability: “I’m sorry Mr. Chinese Officer, I got homesick and really wanted to watch some BBW porn…”

mtchristo,

I have a special hate for cloudflare in me I can’t describe

NaoPb,

I don’t think I really have a reason to use it.

sam, (edited )
@sam@lemmy.ca avatar

The reason is privacy, everybody has a reason to use it.

WorseDoughnut,
@WorseDoughnut@kbin.social avatar

In theory yes, but practically speaking trying to access a lot of the modern web over TOR would be at best painfully slow and at worst almost impossible thanks to DDoS protection providers like cloudflare.

davehtaylor,

This right here. A very large part of the web is inaccessible from TOR. Last I tried you couldn’t access social media, Google constantly forces you through captchas because it thinks you’re a bot, and anything on a CDN will either forces captchas or just doesn’t work. Financial institutions absolutely are all inaccessible.

Privacy is important, but most of the places you want to go with TOR to stay private won’t let you in because malicious actors want to use it for the same reasons.

nickiam2,

Facebook has an official.onion domain and it’s the only way I access it, as it’s required for my employer.

FirstMajesticComet,
@FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Reddit also has a .onion as well. Funny considering their pride on Ban evasion detection they should outright block Tor.

NaoPb,

While I agree with you, I’m wondering what the benefit is of watching youtube and posting/reading lemmy/mastodon through a tor network. Because those are the main things I do. While I do understand that in some countries and also in public wifi networks the chances of traffic being intercepted and man in the middle attacks are higher, I do not expect that to happen to my fibre connection in my western country.

_MusicJunkie,

Unless you browse Geocities sites from 1998, intercepting and MITMing is simply not an issue. Everything built nowadays uses https, which fully protects you against those.

FirstMajesticComet,
@FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah people when they discuss Neworking and VPNs I’ve noticed are either illiterate to the existence of https or are deliberately not mentioning it for the purpose of misleading people in some way (in the case of VPN sponsorships it’s to get people to buy them).

Zeus,

then try reading the article

NaoPb, (edited )

I’d rather not waste my time reading an article about a program I’m not currently using to find out if I should use it our not. I’d rather see a post that has bulletpoints with pre’s and cons. My time is limited enough as it is.

[edit] I realise that my comment will probably come across as unfriendly so I will add some explaining to it.

I am currently in a western country using a fibre landline and I trust my internet provider to not intercept my data or use things like a man in the middle attack. Am I right for assuming that and if so, would tor prevent that? Will tor slow down my internet? I mostly watch youtube videos and read/post on lemmy/mastodon. I am not against using tor at all, but my energy and time are limited so I don’t feel like reading a whole article just for an app I do not feel the need to use. I am currently very happy with my firefox browser and all the add-ons I use. And with all the modifications I have put into it to make it work just the way I like. Would I loose all that by switching to tor? I am prepared to change to tor but I am not in the camp of “protect privacy at all costs, even if it greatly inconveniences me”. Especially if the risks of not using tor seem quite low in my situation.

Zeus,

okay. perhaps instead of wasting your time writing an entire paragraph, you should read the article and you’ll find out that that entire paragraph was irrelevant

it’s actually not an article about the pros and cons of tor. it could not be summed up in bullet points about the pros and cons of tor

i’ll admit to being a little facetious before, but i implore you to read articles before commenting on them

NaoPb,

Thing is… if I have to do that for every time someone linkdrops an article, I’ll have no time left in my day.

And it seems I was right that I have no real reason to use tor.

Zeus, (edited )

Thing is… if I have to do that for every time someone linkdrops an article, I’ll have no time left in my day.

if you spent less time writing comments about articles you haven’t read, you might have more time. do you do this in other walks of life? wander into restaurants you’ve never eaten at and announce “i don’t think there’s really any reason to order the fish”?

And it seems I was right that I have no real reason to use tor.

okay, i’ll sum the article up for you. the more people that use tor, the more it protects vulnerable people. journalists writing exposés about corrupt governments, refugees trying to flee, etc. the more normal people using tor, the more they get lost in the crowd. it’s nothing to do with whether you have any reason to use tor, that’s irrelevant. by using it, you’re helping those in vulnerable positions. happy? now go write something inciteful

ladel,

Anyone here use it, and how is it?

emberwit,

It’s a web browser. Slower than others and some pages won’t work but other than that, it does just that.

Mummelpuffin,
@Mummelpuffin@beehaw.org avatar

…I mean, it’s more like the web browser makes it easy to use the Tor network. The network is the slow part. Your requests are getting ping-ponged all over the world intentionally taking the long way around.

ctr1,
@ctr1@fl0w.cc avatar

It’s great for anything low bandwidth that isn’t tied to your identity, and helps for peace of mind, despite its issues. You do run into captcha or DDOS protection issues occasionally, but the new tor circuit for this site button sometimes works. Also it uses letterboxing to prevent resolution-based fingerprinting, which isn’t very pretty, but leaving it at its default size (or locking the size using the WM) works well and is good for privacy.

Audalin,

It’s great when you want to connect two devices behind NAT without relying on any specific third-party server or service. I ssh to my laptop from my phone with it when away from it.

It’s also useful to circumvent censorship, though it depends on the country. Also, websites employing wide-range IP blocks, in my experience, more often than not still allow Tor.

Lily33,

How does Tor help ssh behind NAT?

Audalin,

You run a Tor Hidden Service with sshd on one device. Knowing the .onion address, the correct port and having the corresponding private key on the other device (all of that not really subject to change), you can run the Tor daemon on it (for Android, you can use Termux) and connect with ssh, using torify nc %h %p as ProxyCommand.

skullgiver, (edited )
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  • interolivary,
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    On the other hand, there’s no way to track you. Useful for looking up medical info in a way that search engines and such can’t relate back to you. Often I’ll keep browsing in it once I’ve opened it because it’s just basically Firefox.

    This is only true if you have the most “paranoid” security level selected, and at that point anything that relies on Javascript (or any of the other features that get blocked) will break. Enabling Javascript or the other blocked Web features will make it fairly trivial to track you especially the more you browse, so at that point you might as well just be using a regular VPN.

    Tor itself isn’t the problem in this equation, it’s the browser, and they tend to leak information like a sieve

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    Sure, it all depends on how paranoid you are, my point was more that saying someone is untrackable if they use Tor has a lot of caveats.

    For the average pleb it’s probably fine, if all they’re doing is just trying to dodge regular trackers and not the authorities

    BigVault,
    @BigVault@kbin.social avatar

    I use it to access any websites that I want to that Virgin Media block due to court orders issued by the UK high court.

    some_guy,

    Virgin Media

    Damn. Looks like the UK is more restrictive than I’d thought.

    FirstMajesticComet,
    @FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I use it, it’s a bit slow and you sometimes get lots of captchas but overall I think it’s pretty good.

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