I totally forgot how terrible a non-ad-free YouTube experience is

So I’ve been using youtube ad blockers since pretty much when ad blocker extensions were first available. Lately though I’ve been getting hit more and more with these messages that YT was sending out every 5 or so videos telling me that adblockers aren’t allowed. No problem, just gotta wait 5 seconds to x it out and then close my video. The straw that broke the camel’s back though was when instead of a close-able pop-up, they just posted it in front of a video and wouldn’t let me watch anything until I disabled my adblocker.

So I disabled it and… wow. It’s just so, so, trash. 2 ads before a video plus midrolls and every video ever. I tried listening to a playlist of songs and was getting a midroll ad every single time. Imagine trying to just listen to music for 3 minutes and getting interrupted by a commercial for a chevy silverado! Half the ads were for youtube premium and they specifically mentioned that it would get rid of all the ads. It just felt so damn predatory. I couldn’t enjoy anything that wasn’t already demonetized.

And you know I’m fine with ads I guess. I could live with an ad before every video, but the fact that I was getting upwards of 5 ads in a 10 minute video was just plain absurd. I also hate that youtube got rid of the yellow markers to show you when an ad was coming up, so now it’s just out of nowhere and always interrupts a key part of the video.

E: I’ve been on Firefox for over a year.

AceFuzzLord,

I haven’t had to deal with video ads for years simply because I don’t use the website and use patched APKs to block ads. I’m thinking it was/is the right choice due to gøøgl€’s ongoing war against ad blocking in general. Don’t know a solution to the browser problem outside of using alternative frontends like libretube or invidious or whatever if you don’t mind not logging in.

locuester,

Another option is paying a couple bucks and not having to worry about it. Might even make you feel good knowing you’re supporting the platform.

I don’t fault you for tinkering and finding ways around it - that’s fun. But in the end, you’re leeching off a service you enjoy.

janguv, (edited )

in the end, you’re leeching off a service you enjoy.

I don’t think that’s a fair or true statement.

For one thing, the “service” here has risen to a point of ubiquity that it’s a de facto public space. Everything is on YouTube – legacy media channels, individual enthusiasts, alternative media outlets, the worlds of tech, fashion, politics, sports – you name it. If you were deprived of all access to it, you would have a qualitatively poorer access of what is going on in society. So it’s not equivalent to a traditional service like a trade.

For another, blocking ads is not merely refusal to pay a fee of some kind. Advertisements are cognitively intrusive, designed to affect your willpower and decision-making, used to track and control your behaviour, compromise your digital safety, and turn you into a product for companies to whom you do not give your consent for the opportunity to be exploited. Blocking that system of “payment” is not simply prudent but right, and the choice between paying a monetary fee or being so exploited is not a fair choice at all.

locuester,

So mediums with advertising should not be allowed to seek monetary payment? Only mediums without advertising should do so?

I’m not understanding your logic here.

For me it’s pretty simple. There is a product - would you like to pay for it?

I feel that all the scary words you can add to a paragraph about advertising based revenue for digital mediums is just your tool to justify your behavior of sticking it to the man.

janguv,

So mediums with advertising should not be allowed to seek monetary payment? Only mediums without advertising should do so?

Not quite sure how you got to the point you did there. There are different ways to advertise – billboards and TV/radio adverts, e.g., while often odious, are something you can more easily divert your attention from and which are not tracking devices or the product of turning you personally into an item for sale. I dislike them and would prefer a world without them but I don’t think their being attached to organisations in and of itself ought to deprive those organisations of income.

I’m not understanding your logic here.

That is apparent.

For me it’s pretty simple. There is a product - would you like to pay for it?

This is called “begging the question” as a response to me – I’ve called into question exactly both your premise and conclusion, for reasons you’ve not actually engaged with, and then you’ve re-asserted them. You have assumed what you’ve set out to prove.

(1) it is not simply a product (or service – you’ve changed tune there), for the reasons I’ve already outlined. Its use and availability is not analogous to something you can pick off the shelf or pay a tradesperson to do for you. (2) therefore, the question of paying for it (and how) demands different kinds of answer. In the country I’m from, e.g., healthcare is a right and not paid for, neither is early-years education up to 18, and so on. Both are “products” or “services” in some sense of the term, but to speak of payment here is complex and the answer doesn’t simply carry over from thinking about normal products/services.

I feel that all the scary words you can add to a paragraph about advertising based revenue for digital mediums is just your tool to justify your behavior of sticking it to the man.

This can only be a disingenuous response, surely? Rather than engage with the criticism of the nature of modern internet advertising and how corporations use it to affect people, you’ll just summarise it as “scary words”.

locuester,

I’m being completely serious and I’m interested to understand more about what you mean. You are saying that YouTube is not merely a service and then you’re equating it to something like healthcare and education. Now I must ask are you the one that is being serious?

janguv,

I’m being completely serious and I’m interested to understand more about what you mean.

It doesn’t strike me that way when you also write things like this:

you’re equating it to something like healthcare and education.

“equating” sets up a straw man. Such a tactic gives me the impression you think of this as some sort of battle that you want to win rather than a good-faith discussion.

What I had written was not an equating – and I think you should have or indeed did see that – only a comparison to show that something’s being describable as a product or service “in some sense” does not mean it is the sort of thing we pay for in a traditional way. This contradicts the central inference of your argument.

The answer to how I would actually characterise the “service” of YouTube is already in the first comment, so I’ll just quote it again:

For one thing, the “service” here has risen to a point of ubiquity that it’s a de facto public space. Everything is on YouTube – legacy media channels, individual enthusiasts, alternative media outlets, the worlds of tech, fashion, politics, sports – you name it. If you were deprived of all access to it, you would have a qualitatively poorer access [to] what is going on in society. So it’s not equivalent to a traditional service like a trade.

I stand by that; YouTube has a near monopoly over that media form, and if you require access to information and essentially a key plank of the online public square, then you need to go through it. I regard it as a (positive rather than negative) right that we do all have – not to use YouTube specifically but for information, opinion, discourse, politics and more to be available to us all. As it happens, YouTube is a key platform for the arrangement of all these things. Twitter also is/was, which is why Musk’s buyout was in principle concerning, and then in practice very shit once he created a two tier system of access to and impact on that public space.

locuester,

I’m open to having this discussion but every single response from you begins with you telling me that I’m not interested in having this discussion. If you could just leave that part out so we can have the discussion, it would be much easier. I believe that’s referred to as ad hominem. If you don’t think it is - ok, it’s not. But please stop allowing that to distract from a discussion if you could.

These “near monopolistic public spaces” such as Twitter and YouTube have costs associated with them. How do you feel that we as users/consumers/citizens of the public space support it’s existence?

sederx,

yeah google really needs more money, poor guys

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

beehaw.org/comment/1359450

JokeDeity, (edited )

This thread is in c/technology, but I swear these are some of the least tech literate comments I’ve seen. Stop using Chrome, yesterday. Use Firefox, use ublock origin. On Android use Revanced. I never see an ad on my PC or phone using YouTube, including ads in the video by the content creators (sponsorblock is built into Revanced and can by toggled).

phillaholic,

there have been many posts about YouTube detecting blockers recently and warning users it’s against the ToS. Not sure if they are widespread or not.

JokeDeity,

Because people are on Chrome.

bermuda,

I was already on Firefox.

I switched to ublock origin yesterday and it worked for about 2 hours before YT somehow detected it and shut down every video. My fix for that was to disable ublock, refresh, enable ublock, refresh again

JokeDeity,

Something is wrong, this has not happened to me ever. Is ublock set up to automatically update itself and it’s lists?

sunbeam60,

You might be in different countries. YouTube has shut down adblockers at different rates depending on where you are.

Amends1782,

Use Invidious while it still exists as a project I’m a fan of the yewtu.be instance. Pretty reliable. The Piped project is good as well. Don’t even use the YouTube domain at all, hate giving them analytics and site usage info nevermind ads

raccoona_nongrata,
@raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org avatar

Ad Block Plus in FF works well too. I haven’t had to deal with any of YouTubes ad nonsense.

Regarding people saying the ad blocker is eventually detected; upping your privacy strictness settings might help. I keep settings as strict as I can, and then if there’s a site that breaks I’ll loosen them on a per-site basis just to allow the minimum needed for the site to function. Or I will sometimes selectively use a chromium browser for limited stuff (ordering grub hub or something)

JokeDeity,

ABP < Ublock Origin. I’m sorry, it’s just facts.

raccoona_nongrata,
@raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org avatar

I can’t dispute it

ParanoidFactoid, (edited )
@ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org avatar

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    AfterAll,

    correct

    pseudo, (edited )
    @pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

    Not long ago, I was watching 5 skipable ads after 10 minutes of video on Viki. It was a time when they were distributing Korean and Chinese Drama at a pace no independent subtitle team would keep up. The shows were culturally interesting, they were a community spirit you could feel even when not participating in subtitling. The video player was good with nice features like learning mode and timestamped comment. It was an acceptable tradeoff. Today’s Viki and YouTube quality is barely sufficient for not favoring pirated website which have in the mean time greatly improved their user experience.

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    Use Piped as a front end for y–t—. It’s open source & non-tracking, but views still count. The creator is active on the fedi too.

    Individual servers sometimes go off line or lose quality when they’re rate limited. Just try a different server when that happens. If the one you’re using at the time shows ads and there are too many, check preferences to turn them off.

    (My addiction is Thai. Also watch some c- and k- too.)

    pseudo,
    @pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

    I haven’t find enough asian-drama fans on the fediverse yet. Japan is everywhere but it’s like it Asia only country.

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    i’ve only found k-drama communities on lemmy and it seems like they’re all abandoned. i know several k-fanatics on mastodon, some hardcore c-drama folk and 3 other thai fans. i don’t know if lemmy plays well with the more twitter-like parts of the fediverse but i can introduce you there if you have an account. i think we can DM on here?

    yoz,

    Why are people not using Ublock Origin ?

    Sina,

    Does Ublock Origin successfully circumvents the new system that is being tested in select countries?

    yoz,

    I read that you need to update the filters to make it work however I can’t confirm.

    itsAllDigital,
    @itsAllDigital@feddit.de avatar

    I’m using uBlock, so far it works no problem for me :)

    MikuNPC, (edited )

    EDIT: Ignore the following, the next day the popup message returned unfortunately

    I can confirm, I was getting the popup message yesterday with ublock-origin and was able to fix it by not only updating my filters but also subscribing to all the optional filters. It seems the default lists don’t have a fix yet but one of the optional ones does.

    yoz,

    Can you share the optional filters for others? Probably best to create a new post

    MikuNPC, (edited )

    The lists are fortunately pre-installed with ublock-origin, just need to enable all lists within options: Built-in, Ads, Privacy, Malware, Multipurpose, and Annoyances

    EDIT: I spoke too soon, saw another popup today

    amju_wolf, (edited )
    @amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

    Yes. You need to not use any other content blocker (including potentially browser tracking protection) and keep uBo up to date. Occasionally it might not be up to date with latest YT changes but that’s pretty rare.

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Two words: Smart TVs

    Need a hardware solution (pi hole/router with custom firmware) for that.

    yoz,

    Please use Smartnext tube app for android TV.

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Unfortunately I have a stupid Samsung TV and the app offering SUCKS (though I am pretty sure it technically runs on Android). There’s also no way to sideload apps afaik.

    yoz,

    God! Never buy Samsung products. I learnt my lesson after buying a Samsung phone.

    limerod,

    Ah, what was that? I’m currently using one oneui 5. Compared to xioami, the software is more stable and doesn’t have stupid restrictions like not allowing access to running services or frequently killing background apps and services.

    yoz,

    It used to drain battery like crazy. Then I bought a pixel with stock android and it was same. After that I installed a custom ROM and this is the result- My overnight idlecdrain is around 1% and if I not use my phone too much, it last 4 days on single charge.https://aussie.zone/pictrs/image/9ed70541-78d4-4b74-98eb-8b03ad8aff59.png

    limerod,

    It takes a while for adaptive battery to kick (weeks). Especially, when you newly setup an android device. Same with adaptive brightness. Mine drains fast in active heavy use on 5G with motion smoothness set to high. I also have a dual sim model where one can be pulling the lowest signal strength from tower which can also affect battery drain.

    yoz,

    Mine started to work within minutes. Custom roms are the best. Never going back to stock.

    limerod,

    Samsung TV’s run on tizen OS, not android.

    Corgana, (edited )
    @Corgana@startrek.website avatar

    PiHole does not work for YouTube sadly. There’s no current solution for YouTube ads on (non-android) smart TVs.

    davehtaylor,

    Yep. I watch YT primarily on my AppleTV, which is why I’m subbed to YT Premium. Otherwise it’s basically unusable because of the ads. But I fucking hate that I’m being extorted like this

    limerod,

    OP mentioned already using ublock-origin. Youtube still blocked him for good after multiple warnings to disable

    megopie, (edited )

    I used to pay for premium just because it was the simplest way to watch ad free on my phone (IOS so Vanced was not an option), and being able to download videos to watch later on a flight was nice.

    But then they wouldn’t let you do Picture in Picture from the app, which, like, fine. Annoying but I’ll just play it in the background and just listen to the audio.

    But then they started forcing the tiktok clone onto the home page and subscriptions page. I really do not like the dopamine disinformation vortex. So I deleted the app and just started watching them through the website, which actually enabled Picture in Picture and let me hide the shorts shelf (for 30 days before I have to click the X again.)

    Now I’ve just stopped paying for it and just watch YouTube in the Firefox Focus IOS browser which completely blocks YouTube ads in my experience. It won’t let me do Picture in Picture or play audio in the background on their website, but I’ve noticed embedded YouTube videos on other websites will.

    So now I’m looking in to using other front ends so I can have complete normal functionality without having to watch adds or pay them money and have their stupid tik tok clone shoved down my throat.

    Good job Google, you managed to completely alienate someone who was paying you cash. Now I’m the definition of a free rider on your service.

    Illecors,

    A bit of an aside, but did you use speech to text to post this?

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@kbin.social avatar

    Impression I got, too.

    megopie,

    No, I’m just bad at proof reading and a clumsy typer/ not the best with written grammar

    Illecors,

    That’s cool. Was curious more than anything else.

    alcyoneous,

    Check out uYou+ with AltStore. It lets you enable PiP and background play, and I think you can disable shorts and such.

    ProcurementCat,

    ReVanced can patch your YouTube client (even without root) and add (your choice of) features, for example adblocking, picture in picture, playing in background as well ad quality of life improvents like hiding the “block” of news videos, remove reels or certain buttons

    https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/48f70f58-33d8-4f38-88f5-368e00ace37a.jpeg

    Ganbat,

    They said they’re on IOS.

    Stillhart,

    The reviews on the play store make this sound like a pretty trash app. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong one…

    ComradeKhoumrag,
    @ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub avatar

    github.com/ReVanced/revanced-manager

    ErilElidor,

    Revanced isn’t in an app store (at least not a legit version), you have to build it yourself. Otherwise it would probably end like Vanced. Take care of scam websites, this is the real one: revanced.app

    Or check this guide: reddit.com/…/revanced_manager_guide_for_dummies/ (yes, it’s Reddit, but the guide was really useful to me 🤷‍♂️)

    Stillhart,

    Thanks, that’s much different! lol This looks pretty involved. Does it need to be updated all the time as Youtube updates, similar to NewPipe? Because NewPipe is a pain to keep updated but it also a lot less work. lol

    LinuxSBC,

    What I usually do is tell the Play Store to not update it. Also, I don’t think it’s that involved. Take this with a grain of salt because I’m pretty experienced with phone modification, but I think it’s just downloading the file, opening it, selecting YouTube, choosing what modifications you want, and installing it.

    ProcurementCat,

    ReVanced doesn’t really require frequent updates. After modifying the YouTube app, I disable auto updates and keep using it until something doesn’t work properly (usually ads reappear)- Happens maybe every 4-5 months for me.

    For example, the YouTube version I’m using right now is 18.23.35 from June 10th, while the newest version that can be patched with ReVanced is 18.35.44. But since I haven’t seen any issues, I didn’t even bother to check for updates. Only your comment made me check and realize that I can update it.

    skarn,

    I don’t find it at all annoying to keep NewPipe up to date.

    I think you may need to take a look at Obtainium.

    kzhe,

    Anything revanced on the play store is fake. You cannot get Revanced from the play store. revanced.app

    Nath,
    @Nath@aussie.zone avatar

    Hmm. I’ve always had premium so never looked into ReVanced. I knew it existed, but didn’t realise it might be useful for more than just bypassing ads.

    Most of these should be regular settings. I want several of them. My biggest bugbear is shorts. But I also want to be rid of those little popup things and the overlay cards at the end of a video.

    NiaTheCat, (edited )
    @NiaTheCat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    If you’re open to recommendations, sideloading uYou+ (via altstore or other methods, no jailbreak needed) is sort of like ReVanced but for iOS.

    There’s also Yattee which is on the App Store or you can sideload it. It can connect to a Piped or Invidious instance to play YouTube vids.

    Both of them are open source if that’s important for you

    megopie,

    Thanks, I’ll look in to that.

    Rexios,

    uYou+ is no longer maintained. I use uYouPlusExtra: github.com/arichorn/uYouPlusExtra

    RandomStickman,
    @RandomStickman@kbin.social avatar

    I can do PiP on Firefox android by playing the video in fullscreen and returning home. There's an add on for FF, Video Background Play Fix, that allows me to play in the background as well.

    billothekid2,
    @billothekid2@kbin.social avatar

    Maybe it's an iOS thing, but I can definitely do PiP with Premium on the official app on Android.

    SayJess,

    I can do PiP on iOS with my premium subscription.

    megopie,

    It may be different now, but when IOS first added PiP is was super inconsistent with the YouTube app, it worked one week, then the app updated and it didn’t work, then the next week it worked if you were logged in, then only with premium, then only if you were not logged in, then it would exit out of it it the first time you opened it but not the second time you opened PiP

    It was just… a mess and it almost felt like there was some back and fourth going on between Apple and Google over how it was implemented.

    wren,
    @wren@sopuli.xyz avatar

    PiP works on iOS, even without premium (with some restrictions). At least it did very recently, I have premium now though so I can’t verify as of today

    gregorum, (edited )

    AdGuard for iOS blocks YouTube ads. Adblock Pro has an “open in PiP mode” button that lets you open videos in PiP without YT premium, which is cool.

    I don’t use the app

    kzhe,

    Try Yattee. Piped client for iOS. You do have to do weird setup because the app needs to pretend to not be a Piped client. Otherwise, Piped or Invidious website.

    darkfiremp3,

    The brave browser allows you to Picture in Picture and blocks ads!

    victron,
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    Serious question. Can a pihole stop this? I’ve been thinking about building one for my house.

    numanair,

    It won’t stop ads delivered by the same servers as the content.

    princessnorah, (edited )
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Diversion, the ad blocker built into the Merlin fork of the Asus router firmware, is able to do this. It functions in the same way as a pihole. It’s not always perfect, but serviceable on devices that can’t use an adblocker like chromecasts.

    limerod, (edited )

    Pinhole works at the network level. You need browser extensions like ublock-origin to filter this on the client side.

    Edit: You also have apps like adguard, which work like Pihole, and do cosmetic filtering like ublock-origin.

    Plume, (edited )

    It sucks. What sucks even more for me is that, I understood the fact that a platform like YouTube costs an unimaginable amount. I get that. And I wanted to pay. As a matter of fact, I did pay, happily so, for quite while. For YouTube Prenium Lite. Until a week ago I think, where I got this wonderful email from Google titled: Kindly go fuck yourself… or at least that’s how I read it… telling me that YouTube Prenium Lite was going the way of the Google graveyard. Because of course it did. And now, it was paying for full Prenium or nothing.

    So I stopped paying. I’m not paying 13 bucks a month for no ads. Especially if you’re basically strong arming me in doing so, I’ll do without YouTube.

    Because hey, I tried YouTube Music. It’s actually quite good in many aspects (horrendously flawed in many others too, of course, but that’s most Music Streaming services) but you know what? I know it’s been years, but I’m still not over Google Play Music and how they killed that off for what was an inferior product back then. Why the fuck would I invest my time and money in a Google product, nowadays? I’m sorry if you reading this were one of these people, but it’s like… to the people who were paying for Stadia and were shocked to learn that the service was shutting down… I’m sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with you? It was bound to happen, from the moment it was announced, the entire internet started joking about the fact that this thing will be dead in two years!

    I refuse to pay for a Google product nowadays. It’s like paying for a live service game at release, it’s rolling the dice and betting against the colossal odds that this thing will be dead in two years. So, unless it’s a Pixel, so I can slap something else than stock Android, Google can suck it. They won’t get a cent from me.

    It’s not like I paid for Prenium Lite because I loved YouTube. Hell, YouTube stopped being a good product a long time ago, I was paying for the content I was watching. Gotta support creators, you know? And also, because I watched a lot of YouTube on my TV, and you can’t slap Ublock on that. It was a reasonable enough price. But now? Fuck YouTube, I’m done with this. I’ve been hating this platform more and more for a while now, the algorithm is awful, it keeps recommanding me stuff I don’t want (why the hell does YouTube insist and recommanding me far right content, jesus christ, stop!). And even without ads, you still get them because monetization is so damn inconsistent creators can only depend on sponsors, I could go on and on.

    So now, it’s NewPipe on mobile, Piped on desktop and I guess I’ll just find something better to watch on TV. I’m paying for Nebula, it’s cheap, doesn’t have even a third of the people who I watched on YouTube, but at least it’s creator centric and it’s got a lot of good, interesting stuff on it. I’ve been watching lots of Twitch lately, and while yes, I agree, fuck Amazon, at least I can just pay for the people who I watch most to get no ads, it’s a reasonable price, support them and Twitch ads are not nerely as horrendous YouTube’s are in terms of frequency. So, yeah. I don’t miss it.

    Sleestak_Chaka,

    I use FreeTube on desktop and NewPipe on mobile. I’m still searching for a solution to the AppleTV.

    Plume,

    Same. Yattee has proven too cumbersome for me to setup. :/

    sederx,

    guess I’ll just find something better to watch on TV

    smarttube, you can even login

    Plume,

    Sadly, I use an Apple TV.

    sederx,

    chuck it in the bin and get a 29 bucks android tv device

    OttoVonGoon,

    For people using smart TVs, consider hooking up an old laptop or desktop to your TV. You can use a wireless mouse/keyboard (or other input peripheral) and you’ve got a living room setup that allows you to use ad-blockers and your own browser and video player (I recommend PotPlayer), among other advantages.

    sederx,

    if it runs android they can jus run Smart tube, its basically perfect

    Zink,

    Ok so I’m not saying the correct solution to this is to just give Google the money they want, but for me YouTube premium is the best value for any streaming service my family subscribes to. (Unless you count the lifetime Plex pass I got on sale years ago, lol)

    Things like our smart TV or the kid’s iPad work flawlessly, including convenient downloads for trips. And since I watch a lot on my TV, it’s nice having higher bitrate available.

    YouTube music is a nice addon for music in the car, even though it doesn’t make or break the deal.

    And as I understand it, creators make significantly more money from premium views than ad-supported views. I like watching all kinds of niche scientific/tech/educational creators so I like to know they’re getting a bit more from me

    sunbeam60,

    You know what, I complete agree!! I realised I spend 10x the time on YouTube compared to Netflix.

    And then, at least in the U.K., there’s a mobile phone plan that includes a YouTube premium membership, so it works out at 2/5ths the price.

    Skadabucci,

    This is my sentiment too.

    limerod,

    Yeah, if not for Ytmusic, I wouldn’t have considered youtube premium. Seperate they don’t make much sense. Together, they add a lot of value. Plus, the bonus of not being bombarbed by multiple ads on each video is good.

    sederx,

    is the best value for any streaming service my family subscribes to.

    i mean that bar is pretty low

    HipsterTenZero,
    @HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

    The best part is that it gets worse

    Aetherion,
    @Aetherion@feddit.de avatar

    Show me something that gets better.

    somegadgetguy,

    And YouTube beat expectations on profits the quarter they raised prices again. The worst part of this is knowing YouTube is turning screws on the audience AND on advertisers. We know Google keeps more data on us than any other company, but they’re miserable at pairing relevant ads to my interests. So these brands advertising on YT aren’t reaching a potential customer, they’re only being used as a pain point to make free YT worse, and to neg viewers into buying premium. In a weird way, we might be saving brands from paying for useless ad clicks. Like, even looking at late stage capitalism and enshittification, this is totally bonkers.

    princessnorah,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Fuck the advertisers. I care way more about them turning screws on the creators.

    Malfeasant,

    www.soundandvision.com/files/…/2172009173627.jpg

    LimitedExpress,

    Go away, I’m baitin’.

    AceFuzzLord, (edited )

    False. The screen doesn’t have 99% ad to 1% actual content. Not an accurate representation of the future.

    Grrbrr,
    @Grrbrr@sopuli.xyz avatar

    That is actually how the Xbox user interface started to look like after a while. It went from “what you probably want functions” to 80% ad, whitespace and “suggestions” with a Play the game somewhere in there.

    DudeDudenson,

    I hate how this trend of “I’ll make my service shit so you’ll pay more for the not as shit version” seems to work out for these companies

    Corgana,
    @Corgana@startrek.website avatar

    “Here is how platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.”

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    “I’ll put in enough ads to actually support your usage habits and you can pay if you want to not deal with them”

    DudeDudenson,

    I’m not specifically talking about ads. Things like stopping your playlist every 15 minutes and telling you that maybe you should pay for YouTube music or “free” software that is practically impossible to use until you pay for a subscription are examples of what I’m talking about

    JokeDeity,

    Quit using shitty browsers? I see zero ads on YouTube in Firefox with ad blockers. I mean there’s about a million other reasons to not use Chrome as well, but use this anger as your catalyst.

    bermuda,

    I’ve been using Firefox for over a year, so thanks for the assumption boss.

    JokeDeity,

    Sorry about that, this is just the usual case when I see this complaint. Let’s figure out why you’re experiencing this because I’m a HEAVY YouTube user and I want everyone to have as good of an experience as I do.

    JokeDeity,

    Just wanted to come back to this and say while I checked and didn’t have any addons besides ublock that should be helping (with many of the extra lists checked/enabled in settings), I do have tampermonkey with these scripts and maybe they’re helping:

    Simple Sponsor Skiper YouTube CPU Tamer by AnimationFrame YouTube HD YouTube polymer engine fixes YouTube Web Tweaks YouTube(Chinese characters) YouTube AD Blocker

    Along with some others that I don’t think would apply.

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