MedicPigBabySaver,

Hogwash you son of a bitch! Now, take my upvote.

Nacktmull,
@Nacktmull@feddit.de avatar

I also have that perception. When people disagree, instead of becoming toxic, they stay oddly cool and nice to each other here. Let´s hope this lasts when more and more reddit users join …

Shortbus,
@Shortbus@lemmy.world avatar

Have an upvote my fellow fedinaut

LemmyBe,

Same back to you, fellow Fedinaut :).

Vakbrain, (edited )
@Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t want you to feel left out. Here’s one to you too! Edit: the OP tag is a little too subtle in the LemmyConnect app… Now I feel dumb lol

MrMonkey,

No, not really. Have a “wrong” opinion and see how it goes.

ReiRose,

How wrong? Racist wrong or just “boiled eggs are tastier than fried eggs” wrong?

Z4rK,

Elon Musk is really stupid socially and say and do a lot of shit but he’s very capable technically and contribute in his role at SpaceX and Tesla?

I’m not in any political or religious communities, but I’m in a lot of technical communities and this seems to be as controversial as you can get. It’s a topic people seem to have 100% set opinions on, are not open for any change, and really dislike people with the other opinion.

It’s not local to the Fediverse though but seems to be the state of Internet in general.

_danny,

I have yet to see what technical brilliance he has beyond the ability to spend the interest gained on his billions of dollars.

Z4rK,

He certainly doesn’t seem very good at spending them, everything around the whole Twitter purchase is just handled so staggering poorly.

For technical abilities, I’m just watching interviews where the way he presents and give answers around SpaceX and Tesla is far beyond what any smooth talking business man could normally manage. He’ll take very technical questions about specific rocket propulsion parts and can reason about them and answer.

Smart people that have worked with him also agree that he has great, technical capacity: …medium.com/is-elon-musk-just-a-sales-guy-9d3eb7a…

He’s clearly very often an unlikable person and he says something stupid / childish etc in almost every interview, so I don’t have any problem with people that makes up their mind about him from that alone. On a human level it does usually overshadow any better qualities.

MrMonkey,

“Capitalism is good”

“Conservatives aren’t completely selfish” (backed with links to leftist sources)

“NFTs aren’t worthless”

“Making everyone people pay for rich people’s college debt is wrong (and a net transfer of wealth upwards)”

“The central banks cause inflation on purpose”

Some are opinions, some are facts people don’t like. All get down voted.

_danny,

You’re being proven right. You will get downvoted for these statements because a majority are just not factual.

The easiest to explain is NFTs are worthless. They have no legal validity for ownership. The largest portion of the NFT market is buying pictures, pictures which are hosted externally and can be taken down without respect to the NFT contract.

So in the majority use-case you neither have the picture stored, nor have exclusive legal ownership. So you’re buying access to a very fancy, very energy intensive, url link.

That’s not even getting into the politically charged arguments. The whole reason we have child labor laws, minimum wage, and OSHA requirements is because raw, unchecked capitalism was terrible for 99% of people.

Nir,

I’m just going to address the easy one here (child labor), but capitalism is hardly unique when it comes to treatment of workers. Historically, no one gives a damn about those stupid, ugly, low class hillbillies.

NFTs are wild though, I don’t get why or how anyone thought they would be a thing.

MrMonkey,

The easiest to explain is NFTs are worthless. They have no legal validity for ownership. The largest portion of the NFT market is buying pictures, pictures which are hosted externally and can be taken down without respect to the NFT contract.

Oh, so you don’t know what an NFT is. An NFT is a non-fungable token. This is a token that is distinct from other tokens, Some tokens are legally valid, some aren’t. You use NFTs every day.

This “NFT = Not legally binding JPEG” thing stuck in your head has got to go. It was just a simple PoC that people took nobody but gamblers care for.

Your credit card is an NFT. Your drivers licence is an NFT. Your car title is an NFT. The car in monopoly is an NFT.

But being able to transfer and store NFTs on a trustless network is an amazing feat, and testing it with silly stuff like jpegs is the way to go before using it for something important.

Now imagine your car title is a legally binding NFT. You can prove you own your car, transfer ownership to the new owner, no trip to the DMV needed.

The supply chain is already using NFTs to prevent forgeries; tokens are created by the manufacturer and sent to the retailers. Retailers verify the tokens and know the real ones didn’t fall off a truck.

At some point you’ll use an NFT to check if those Air Jordan’s on Craigslist are the real thing (or stolen). But like every other NFT you use you probably won’t even know it.

_danny,

It sounds like you don’t know what an NFT is. A credit card isn’t a NFT because there is no private key, it’s only a public token that you hope is securely stored everywhere you put it in. You could put your credit card info on a sketchy website and they could use that exact same information for a purchase with no interaction on your part.

Same exact story with your driver’s license. And the car in Monopoly? What the fuck dude, they’re mass produced identical pieces of metal.

Maybe that’s why you think it’s so great, because you have no idea what is and isn’t an NFT.

MrMonkey,

So every credit card is the same as every other credit card? Cool, can I use yours?

Every drivers license is the same as every other license? I dunno about that, mine has my info on it. I don’t think yours does. These tokens don’t appear to be fungible.

Every token in monopoly is played by any player? No there’s one token per player and they’re not interchangeable.

They are Tokens. That are not fungible. These are NFTs. You don’t have to like it, but try to understand it.

A Token that is unique and different from other tokens is “non-fungible”,

My drivers license is non-fungible. So is my car title.

Dollars are fungible. A $10 bill is a $10 bill.

Cars are not fungible. My car is not the same as your car.

Non-Fungible Tokens can be physical things. There were nfts long before the the internet and you use tons of them, online and off. You just don’t know.

_danny, (edited )

We can agree on what the words mean individually, but an NFT is not just some physical item which is unique. NFTs are unique and are only possible to transfer if you have the private key. So saying that your credit card number is an NFT because it’s a token which is non-fungible is missing the point, and being intentionally obtuse.

I’m kinda done with this, we are not going to get any further in this discussion.

Redhotkurt,
@Redhotkurt@kbin.social avatar

Have a “wrong” opinion and see how it goes.

I'm sorry the world is changing too quickly for you to adapt, but you still can't say the "n" word.

Z4rK,

See, I know what you are trying to say, and I would agree with the basis of it, but I’m not for using manipulation techniques (fake empathy, implied moral superiority, ad hominem attack) to “win” the argument.

MrMonkey,

I know what you are trying to say

What is he trying to say? Because what I hear is “Anyone who’s opinion is not 100% in lockstep with mine is an evil fascist racist nazi transphobe”.

Z4rK,

Taking the comment in the best possible way, the person was pointing out that even if we’re nice and positive so far here on Lemmy, you will still be called out for blatantly racist comments.

MrMonkey,

That’s quite a generous reading.

I still see “if you don’t agree with me 100% you’re a racist”.

MrMonkey, (edited )

Thanks for proving my point.

Now go back to reddit, the adults are having a conversation.

Thrillhouse,

I think maybe as well it always became really heated with the Reddit bots when you would express a differing opinion to theirs. There were many times bots would pick a fight and then argue with you like it was their job (because it was). This feels more chill like the early days of Reddit and I hope it stays that way.

dmmeyournudes,

you people genuinely think that the bots are the ones having these arguments?

Thrillhouse,

I’m using bot broadly to mean astroturfed actors and influencers. Absolutely there are troll farms on Reddit being paid to push specific agendas.

dmmeyournudes,

you’re an idiot lol.

Z4rK,

I guess as soon as Lemmy gets properly search indexes and if search engines starts putting weight behind results from Lemmy then commercial interest will arrive?

If a lobby organization thinks they will gain something by buying opinions on Lemmy, then they’ll try to do it?

I’m not sure how you can avoid it, but I hope Lemmy will be better than Reddit. Worst case it’s even easier to manipulate Lemmy since it’s mostly a lot of small instances run for free by people in their spare time.

Anon819450514,

There is also no karma whore. So even if you say something offending to some, who cares?

neocamel,

I disagree, but I uovoted you anyway. ;-)

randon31415,

It is hit or miss. I just got into a fight with a MAGA troll claiming that wikipedia vote totals are completely made up. I thought I wouldn’t have to deal with stupidity like that on lemmy.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

The Internet is the Internet. As the Fediverse grows, it’ll encounter all the same problems that the other social media platforms do, except one: People won’t be locked into a single website controlled by a monolithic corporation. That’s a big enough improvement in my books.

FelonMusk,

Those people are like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

Lilith02,

I had a pretty curated feed on reddit where I basically got rid of most subs that allowed toxicity. So I’ve actually noticed more toxicity since the switch. But I’ve also noticed that posts have more of a personal vibe hear that I’m all for.

GlennMagusHarvey,
@GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz avatar

I’ve generally found that avoiding the biggest crowds seems to also avoid some (though not all) of the worst behavior. More specialized subreddits, communities, and magazines tend to be more chill, and also more focused on their topics.

drasticpotatoes,

I find that Lemmy users are more likely to engage in earnest and once it started getting a flood of new users from Reddit it didn’t change. This combined with the fact that it suddenly had more content I was interested in convinced me to stop being a lurker and try to add something to the whole.

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Then you haven’t posted enough and/or love the “herd mentality” – it’s my 1 month in and I already been massively downvoted twice by randoms with multiple accounts.

TheFriendlyDickhead,

In my experience it depends strongly on the comunity. Those meme comunitys are on their way to become reddit two, command wise. But most communities that are made to have a discussion have been realy nice so far.

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Um…it actually happened on non-“meme communities”. Can’t mention their names for obvious reasons, but yeah.

pornhubfan,

can’t mention their names

I don’t blame you for not wanting to name-drop but ya know people can see your post history?

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

There is a major difference between checking my post history for “culprits” and me saying it out loud who did what and who did not. :^)

Nameunknown12,
@Nameunknown12@lemmy.world avatar

Tbh these instances feel alot more like an echo chamber than most subreddits did

fugepe,

more genous with upvotes than reddit.

Why would you care about fake points, lmao

Arthur_Leywin,

Technically a verbal compliment is faker than an upvote (a visual sign of approval) because at least the visual approval hasn’t fizzled out of existence after being used. So since a compliment and an upvote are sort of similar, shouldn’t we treat an upvote somewhat similarly to how we treat compliments?

SkullHex2, (edited )
@SkullHex2@lemmy.world avatar

in the process of deleting every comment of my lemmy.world account, and permanently joining some instance that does not censor stuff

BromSwolligans,

I still type shitty things. But then I stop and rephrase in a more human way.

ReiRose,

Well done <3

PlasmaRiver,

Im still finding it a strange world to be part of

ickis,

Going to add some negativity here and sorry in advance. I’m hoping I’m being more sensible than mean. The biggest problem with lemmy for my personal experience is that there are are too many posts about itself. We have enough users to thrive as something good. Let’s just do it and enjoy moving on from reddit. If new people come here and all they see are posts about lemmy, fediverse, reddit, they will feel like it’s one note, but I feel like we all have more to offer. I think when there’s some news or something that impacts the platform it’s great to discuss. (Or if there are discussions around actual development and stuff.) In my opinion, there are just far too many.:“Lemmy people are less toxic”, “isn’t it nice here”, “reddit is not as good”, “lemmy just feels fresh”,“loving lemmy so far vs x”. clogging the feed with low quality content. I just feel there are already enough existing posts people can comment on instead of starting new posts. I know the platform is new so it’s to be expected, and I don’t think negatively of anyone making these posts (i usually think positively of them as nice people), but if I didn’t think it was actually hurting first impressions I wouldn’t say anything.

IanM32,
@IanM32@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like that will even itself out in time. With a huge influx of Redditors, comparing the services is going to be a hot topic for awhile. The communities need to settle and the people who will stay will stay. Over time, it’ll be less self-referential and more original content I think.

ratboy,
@ratboy@lemm.ee avatar

I hope so, it’s been like two full months since lemmy has been 85 percent posts about reddit. If I see another fuck u/spez post I’m going to vom. I’m happy to be on the connect app though where I can hide those posts, makes browsing way more bareable

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