evdo,
@evdo@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

In the US? I only work full time because of the constant threat of death if I don’t.

Zephyr_0713,
@Zephyr_0713@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s because on Xbox, the game is designed to run as it should on the console’s hardware.

corsicanguppy,

There is a difference even between an autocracy and a dictatorship. There’s a difference between specialization and dictatorship.

The things you don’t fully grasp should get questions; not the host outrageous label you can think of at the time.

Pussydogger,

People are not willing to die for democracy.

People are willing to die doe their cunt tree.

aesthelete,

I have a problem with the willingly in this thought.

The issue is that people are pretty unwilling to be homeless or starve if there’s an alternative (no matter how terrible).

MrBusinessMan,

If you think about it, Thomas Hobbes was right but on a smaller scale. Society only works when people submit themselves to their bosses.

afraid_of_zombies,

Did he say that?

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

In a workplace you’re trading your labour, skills, and time for money. Think of it more like a convenience store, do you get to vote for the guy behind the counter, do you get to vote for the prices of the products? How would a convenience store be able to function if the customers could vote on these things?

Democracy works with government because most voters are also taxpayers. There’s a an incentive not to vote for things that aren’t affordable because the people voting have to pay for it.

Cethin,

Plenty of businesses function with workers in control.

Also, the basic understanding (though not totally accurate) is that customers do vote on prices by choosing what, where, and when to purchase. The issue is they don’t organize to vote on it, and businesses do shady deals to rig the vote.

cubedsteaks,

In a workplace you’re trading your labour, skills, and time for money. Think of it more like a convenience store, do you get to vote for the guy behind the counter, do you get to vote for the prices of the products? How would a convenience store be able to function if the customers could vote on these things?

Isn’t that supply and demand? If something doesn’t sell enough, it stops being on the shelf. You vote with your purchases.

Some places even give out surveys where you would rate the person who helped you. Some places take those surveys seriously and if you get bad ratings, they fire you.

afraid_of_zombies,

Which is why I only give five star rating for my rideshare driver.

v3x,

cognitive dissonance or something

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Lots of people are not willing to die for democracy, some even fight against it out of ignorance or powerlust.

Nioxic,

In my country i can choosr who runs it…

I cant, at my job

But i can easily choose to quit and find a different job, or start my own company. I dont have those options, when it comes to my country.

cmhe,

Not everyone can just quit and do a different job, and some people can just packup their stuff and move to a different country without issues.

So, I don’t understand your point.

Franzia,

OP I’m familiar with your sentiment. This rhetoric is too ideological for most, I’d dial it back and try again. Most are allergic to leftist words and ideas. Union recruiters say to never even use the “U” word, and even saying burgeosie will have libs mocking you.

Urist,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Some might say it is not radical enough. OP made an okay point and doesn’t need to placate reactionaries.

TheLurker,

Oh look a tankie trying to push bullshit tankie rhetoric.

Last time I checked I didn’t get thrown into prison for life, shot or run over by tanks because I disagreed with my boss.

I swear that tankies logic is that of a person who gets busted doing meth in the bathroom at work and then complains when they get fired, claiming their boss is an “oppressive fascist”.

mojo,

That’s not what dictatorship means

Sirsnuffles,

Sorry.

Directorship*

Functionally, they are the same.

Franzia,

Workplaces are structured without democracy by default, and adding democracy can be helpful to workplace problems.

mojo,

It’s a job, not a country you’re living in.

Franzia,

And? I shouldn’t get a say? Without a say workers deal with being underpaid, and unsafe conditions. Sometimes the federal government helps fix this. But better yet form a strike, use the collective action to get a fairer workplace.

mojo,

You do get a say in safety, there are very harsh laws if companies get reported not following safety measures. I think everyone is asking for more pay lol, but that has nothing to do with democracy. You only should have a say for so much, there are many things that only those with certain education should have a say. Because again, it’s not a country.

Franzia,

there are many things that only those with certain education should have a say.

The rich are not smarter than us!

asking for more pay lol, but that has nothing to do with democracy

Getting more pay often requires democratic actions. Striking, unionizing. Unions democratize a workplace by providing leverage behind workers concerns.

there are very harsh laws if companies get reported not following safety measures.

You must not be American. From an American perspective, employers are basically lawless.

The eventual theoretical climax being siezing the means of production. Then there is no longer an owner or board of shareholders with structural heirarchical control over what is made, who makes it, and how much they are paid.

mojo,

Education does not mean rich. There’s still a workplace hierarchy in socialism, and even capitalism. Of course America is brought up for no reason lol. You don’t understand what you’re talking about, and that’s not even true.

afraid_of_zombies,

You must not be American. From an American perspective, employers are basically lawless.

I can tell that you have never dealt with an OSHA inspection. Like all things government, most of the rules make sense, some of them don’t, and some things should be covered but aren’t. It still breaks my brain that propane gas tank forklifts used indoors are allowed but an audible pneumatic hose leak supposedly isn’t.

I have seen Cleatus scream about how they can’t run their line because they hear a hose leak and use the forklift to drive to the break room. Sigh.

mind,

Does it matter what you call it?

Someone tells you what to do, and you have to obey or else you lose your housing, healthcare, and other basic necessities.

To the person at the receiving end, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a government official or middle manager ordering them around.

MrBusinessMan,

You are incorrect. I absolutely run my businesses as a dictatorship because I’m the owner. We don’t “vote” on what to do, if you don’t like my ideas you are FIRED. Same goes for my tenants, if you don’t like my rules then get out of my property!!

mojo,

I dictatorship would mean they’d die if they didn’t do what you liked lol. It’s in a government context, not a contractual obligation. A tennet can find another place to live, and a worker can find another company.

MrBusinessMan,

You do not know what you are talking about. If you want to run your business as a democracy fine but you won’t be successful. I will continue running mine with an iron fist as a dictatorship.

mojo,

It’s literally the definition, you are just objectively wrong

www.britannica.com/topic/dictatorship

MrBusinessMan,

You are wrong, and stop telling me how to run my business

cubedsteaks,

god forbid someone steal a packet of soy sauce.

MrBusinessMan,

Stealing anything from a place of business is unforgivable

cubedsteaks,

I just imagine you as like a stiff Japanese business man and you’re constantly holding up a katana, waiting to cut someone’s head off for a petty crime.

MrBusinessMan,

Not far from the truth, but I am an all American businessman and as such prefer firearms to blades.

cubedsteaks,

way to suck all the cool out of it by being American.

cubedsteaks,

I will continue running mine with an iron fist as a dictatorship

Why do you talk like you’re in a kung fu movie?

Cethin,

In what world does a dictatorship require everyone else to die if they don’t agree? They have control over the institution, but they don’t have total control over every individual.

theKalash,

On which border is it common to cross from a democracy to a dictatorship for work?

Tagger,

I think the idea is that most workplaces are dictatorships

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.

-George Patton

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